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pct help? - 01-25-2009, 04:23 AM

I've been looking at the pcts and I'm thinking Nolva and Clomid. My cycle will be as follows:
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1-2 Test e 250 Deca 200 20mg nolva ed
3-11 Test e 500 deca 300 to 400
12 Test e 250 deca 300
14 start pct nolva and clomid

I'm little unclear of the clomid doses. Am I supposed to start high and cut it in half? Thanks
   
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I've been looking at the pcts and I'm thinking Nolva and Clomid. My cycle will be as follows:
Weeks
1-2 Test e 250 Deca 200 20mg nolva ed
3-11 Test e 500 deca 300 to 400
12 Test e 250 deca 300
14 start pct nolva and clomid

I'm little unclear of the clomid doses. Am I supposed to start high and cut it in half? Thanks
Can you reply with some stats such as age, height, weight, diet, training schduele, past cycles etc.

Anyway tapering can be good. Your main dose of 500 and 300/400 are good. I would go with 350mg of deca if it is your first time using it. Added to that 500mg of test e or c and your sorted. I would go with test c but it doesn't really matter. I would use more test than deca at the end. And I would taper down for more than a week. I don't taper up cos in my eyes I wanna get shut down as fast as possible and it doesn't really matter if I am on 250 or 500 I will get shutdown so would rather just start on my main dose. But either way is cool.

If you want to taper down effectively go down over a few weeks till you end with very low doses such as-

Mon= Test at 250mg deca at 175mg
Thurs= Test at 250mg deca at 175mg (500 and 350)

Mon= Test at 200mg deca at 125mg
Thurs= Test at 200mg deca at 125mg (400 and 250)

Mon= Test at 125mg deca at 100mg
Thurs= Test at 125mg deca at 100mg (250 and 200)

Mon= Test at 100mg deca at 65mg
Thurs= Test at 50mg deca at 35mg (150 and 100)

Mon= Test at 25-50mg

2 weeks no injections (break)

PCT starts on Mon

It doesn't have to be exact but if you do it over around 4 weeks similar to the above (ending with a tiny dose of test) it should help matters.

I would personally do the above schduele but start on 500mg and 350mg of deca from the beginning. I would split it inot 2 injections per week. Any 2 days as long as they are 3/4 days a part. It is best to pick certains days and not e4d's cos it just makes it easy then. You could do 250mg of test and 175mg of deca X2. 400mg of deca is good too but don't go above that.

Now something very important is that nolva shouldn't be used during your cycle (only in the case of gyno of course). It is actually dangerous to take nolva with any nandrolone. Deca is a nandrolone (like tren). So please do not use it for protection. You should be cool without any for during but always have it on hand incase of sides. If you want to use protection then arimidex would be best. However 500mg of test should be ok but if this is a first cycle you do not know your sensitivity to gyno etc so you must have protection meds on hand. Proviron would help matters too but adex is the best. Protection for deca would be dostinex but this shouldn't be needed at your dose and because prolactin issues are much rarer so you should be cool. If you were using a high dose of tren I would say defo get dostinex.

The best pct you could use is a combo of nolva and clomid. The following program should be good for you.

Weeks 1-3= Clomid at 250mg on day 1, days 2-11 at 100mg and days 12-21 at 50mg per day.
Weeks 1-3= Nolvadex at 20mg per day
Week 4= Nolvadex at 10mg per day

Do a 4 week pct. Nolva is the superior pct tool but the combo is great as they both do slightly different things. Hope I have helped.


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By the way imo you don't really have to taper the deca as much but it just makes it smoother. I would just make sure you have about 12 weeks of deca and taper down alittle at the end. But imo it is advisable to have test running just alittle longer than deca. If you want your taper to be most effective run it so you end with a lower level than your endogenous test. It helps with recovery. Have you looked into HCG?


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01-26-2009, 04:11 AM

Thanks. My stats are as follows 5'7", 180, about 15-18bf%and 26. Diet is well i'm at the mercy of the cooks and whatever my schedule is. This is my first cycle but have been looking for awhile. Thanks for the info on tapering deca I was thinking the opposite for some reason. What would you say is be the max for a first timer for deca. I read somewhere to keep at 400 or lower due to more side effects and I'm not sure how my body will react. Would It help if You tapered deca and not the test? So are you saying I should get some arimidex to keep on hand? Yes it was very helpful
   
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