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PiP assist - 08-18-2013, 08:47 PM

Got a little pip from this 300 mast e i just started and so i did a test and rubbed
DMSO at site and pip was reduced 75% first day and gone the next
Just thought id pass on my research but everyone results may vary
   
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You know that makes sense.I will keep that one in my pocket for da future. Thanks Iron... T
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Got a little pip from this 300 mast e i just started and so i did a test and rubbed
DMSO at site and pip was reduced 75% first day and gone the next
Just thought id pass on my research but everyone results may vary
What brand/% bro? I did have some cream a while back but it's all gone.
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What brand/% bro? I did have some cream a while back but it's all gone.
Not sure of the brand got it on ebay 99% 16oz bottle free ship for around 13$.. to make less strong u dilute with distilled water only the percentage u want but i use 99% and dam it works wonders on joints and on pip..carries that raw deep instead of sittin in a depot on the cheek. If u need exact ebay ill post it up but its all over for sale.. holla one for dr ib brothers..lol. Turbobusa you know my research is on at all time brutha.. always something rollin in the back of my mind ..thanks guys.

Ps.nothin better than an ass massage by your sweet girl or girls but dont let her hit the trunk..it would end ptp quick...
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Not sure of the brand got it on ebay 99% 16oz bottle free ship for around 13$.. to make less strong u dilute with distilled water only the percentage u want but i use 99% and dam it works wonders on joints and on pip..carries that raw deep instead of sittin in a depot on the cheek. If u need exact ebay ill post it up but its all over for sale.. holla one for dr ib brothers..lol. Turbobusa you know my research is on at all time brutha.. always something rollin in the back of my mind ..thanks guys.

Ps.nothin better than an ass massage by your sweet girl or girls but dont let her hit the trunk..it would end ptp quick...
Thanks. gonna get some. never thought it would work for pip. Im havin an awful time with endosyn cutabolic. And I usually never have any issues no matter what gear ive run. my wife is tired of massaging my ass. 20 years will do that.
   
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...and dam it works wonders on joints
Hell yeah it does. I just didn't realize it was so readily available. I thought they put the lockdown on it a while back. Just ordered me some.




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Thanks for the great tip I haven't had any pip with my current brand for years but if I ever get some high dosed test etc I will try this out.


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How do you compare this to using Sterile Grapeseed oil in the actual mixture??

@ 1cc grapeseed/1cc "aas compound" ratio??


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I love dmso on sore joints. Going to try this. I dont have gear that gives me pip. But I have short arms so for glute shots I have to twist if standing. ..always cramp and move the needle. It should help for the soreness of that to.
   
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How do you compare this to using Sterile Grapeseed oil in the actual mixture??

@ 1cc grapeseed/1cc "aas compound" ratio??
If you're talking about diluting the mixture, it just creates more lipids to break down. If the pain is from the BA content to keep the substance in solution (prevent precipitation) it could help. But then you're mixing, different vials, same airborne needle, I would be more worried about sterility.

If the pain is from microscopic damage to the interior of the muscle with some inflammation from the compound, then it won't help much. Sesame, grape, chemical breakdown is almost the same.

Most of you know me by now and if it's unexpectedly painful, I will throw that stuff in the trash. But that's me. Fortunately, our bodies are pretty hearty and serious problems are thankfully pretty rare. But that's no reason to throw caution to the wind. There are guys out there heating up a flask with some oil, BA, and compound and going right to the needle with it. I hear some crazy shit.

The pain from inflammation is something you just have to deal with or use something like DMSO which will not help absorption as much as shrink up the painful inflammation. I don't have a study to back that up but it seems a reasonable assumption. Heck, you could take testosterone with no ester, mix it with the DMSO and it will go right through your skin and into the bloodstream with all the other impurities. DMSO is an extremely, and I want to say that again, extremely powerful trans-dermal delivery agent. You should wash your hands and the area thoroughly when using because anything that's there is going through the skin like a damn sieve.

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post edit: We're only discussing the use of DMSO here as a temporary remedy for general soreness after an IM injection. DMSO is not, in any way, a remedy to treat an infection, abscess, or other ailment that may occur as a result of a fouled IM injection. IB made a good point below.




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I just don't have sterile oil around to do that and I stumbled onto the DMSO after some m300 gave a knot and seem to dissipate the pip. Now pip from dirty gear is a whole other deal and I'm not so sure I'd put it on a red swollen area but that's just me .
   
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I just don't have sterile oil around to do that and I stumbled onto the DMSO after some m300 gave a knot and seem to dissipate the pip. Now pip from dirty gear is a whole other deal and I'm not so sure I'd put it on a red swollen area but that's just me .
You're right. I'm sorry I should have made that clearer.

When you have pain with no swelling after an IM injection (very common) it's from the compound causing irritation and microscopic inflammation. It's along the lines of the microscopic tears that occur when you overload a muscle to make it grow. The muscle is overloaded and the fibers repair themselves to adapt to the greater load. Thus, you have tears and inflammation and delayed onset muscle soreness. This is why progressive training works. The muscle adapts and becomes bigger/stronger. Many once believed it was from the byproducts of chemical reactions that occurred from the anaerobic burning of sugars instead of oxygen (lactic acidosis). It's now known that lactic acid clears almost immediately after a workout. The damage remains and eventually inflammation occurs which activates nerves and you feel pain.

Now if there is a swollen red lump, that's a serious sign that a microbial infection has occurred and it needs treated right away with antibiotics - NOT DMSO.

DMSO is simply used as an anti-inflammatory for general soreness. An abscess or infection, again, is NOT treatable by DMSO. Those afflictions are and should always be taken care of by a qualified specialist. Over the years, I've seen articles on these boards that gave people guidance on how to surgically cut open their muscle and insert a drainage tube in an abscess! Can you believe someone would take it upon themselves to perform surgery on themselves in their bathroom with a utility knife and a piece of plastic tubing? Insanity. But I'm getting off track here.

Sorry for the confusion. I will edit that post to make that clear.
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↑↑ Lol.. its like i hear of people draining blood due to high red count when and when their head hits the toilet its probably enuf..now im off track OTH..
   
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Thank you for the detailed descriptions I actually am very aware of DMSO and grapeseed oil, but nonetheless that is a great write up for anyone who is not well versed in those two This is a good post.

My question, I should have asked clearer. Which have you guys found to be more effective?? For a painful ester, lets say prop or winny, etc, etc...Do you find that DMSO alleviates the pain better transdermally or do you think trying to avoid the pain altogether by using a sterile grapeseed oil is more productive??

Or what the hell use both?? I am curious bc back in the day when I used AAS, I had plenty of shots gone bad not bc of dirty gear, but just high BA content or painfully made products in general, and I never once tried the DMSO trick bc I didn't know about it back then. I always just strategized by using Grapeseed oil and I was fortunate enough that it always fixed it. I would imagine it possible grapeseed oil does not work for everyone or every brand or compound though.


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Thank you for the detailed descriptions I actually am very aware of DMSO and grapeseed oil, but nonetheless that is a great write up for anyone who is not well versed in those two This is a good post.

My question, I should have asked clearer. Which have you guys found to be more effective?? For a painful ester, lets say prop or winny, etc, etc...Do you find that DMSO alleviates the pain better transdermally or do you think trying to avoid the pain altogether by using a sterile grapeseed oil is more productive??

Or what the hell use both?? I am curious bc back in the day when I used AAS, I had plenty of shots gone bad not bc of dirty gear, but just high BA content or painfully made products in general, and I never once tried the DMSO trick bc I didn't know about it back then. I always just strategized by using Grapeseed oil and I was fortunate enough that it always fixed it. I would imagine it possible grapeseed oil does not work for everyone or every brand or compound though.
I have never felt one iota of difference from grapeseed or sesame oil. If you do, that's great. Then definitely just go with that. Otherwise, you're just adding more on top of more. But my personality, I cover my bases and try to keep a little but of everything on hand just in case. But everything I do, the pain is just so small and so tolerable, I just don't feel the need. I know most people don't but I have enough brands that if one gives me a lump or a ridiculous amount of pain (way more than normal), I just dump it.

I tend to type like some people talk. I just ramble. But in short. I say just stick with the grapeseed oil and keep the DMSO on hand. No reason to use both if you don't have to.

(nothing to do with you but I think a LOT of the complaints about post-injection pain are made by people who cry to their mamas when they get a hangnail)




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Sometimes I just have to think to myself that it will eventually thin the herd and hope they haven't reproduced yet. Heh!




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