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Suggest a cycle for me - 03-25-2005, 05:01 PM

Hey bro's... Just wanted to let some of you suggest a cycle for me given the following criteria...

Cycle length...10 to 12 weeks

Training goals...Lean mass

I was thinking of combining Test Cyp with Primo. Do you think these two would work well? I really want to stress the lean mass goal. I'm already 235, and don't need any bloaty, watery muscles. Oh yeah, just in case, I'm 31 years old. Also, I have some oral Turanabol tabs to use as well.


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test prop would prolly be better (even though more injections for you). You'll retain some water on the cyp, although you could run arimidex or letro w/ your cyp. You'd be wasting your money with the primo, you'd need to take a lot just to get some good gains from it. Lots of people have told me that you really wont see the benifits of primo unless you're already shredded to the bone.....I'd go w/ a test anavar cycle to go for some good lean mass w/ mimimal water.
   
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test prop would prolly be better (even though more injections for you). You'll retain some water on the cyp, although you could run arimidex or letro w/ your cyp. You'd be wasting your money with the primo, you'd need to take a lot just to get some good gains from it. Lots of people have told me that you really wont see the benifits of primo unless you're already shredded to the bone.....I'd go w/ a test anavar cycle to go for some good lean mass w/ mimimal water.
Anavar is an oral correct? Lay it out for me bro.


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Anavar is an oral correct? Lay it out for me bro.

Maybe this

Weeks 1-12 Test 500mg/week
Weeks 8-14 Var 40mg/ed

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Weeks 1-10 prop 75mg/ed
Weeks 1-6 Var 40mg/ed

lots of possiblities....and yes, var is an oral.....
   
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03-25-2005, 05:21 PM

That looks good, but I would probably raise the anavar to 60 to 80mg per day at least.


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03-25-2005, 05:23 PM

You guys rule! So I was reading up on prop...Says it dosent cause as much water retention as Cyp and Enan. What are your thoughts on this? Also, clomid for PCT?


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That looks good, but I would probably raise the anavar to 60 to 80mg per day at least.

any experience w/ tbol DR?
   
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You guys rule! So I was reading up on prop...Says it dosent cause as much water retention as Cyp and Enan. What are your thoughts on this? Also, clomid for PCT?

lots of people say prop will cause less water retention, but it is still test, just like enanthate or cypionate. The ester can NOT alter the testosterone in any form, just makes the release of test slower or quicker, but many people still swear they see less water retention. and yes, clomid and nolva for PCT
   
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any experience w/ tbol DR?
Not yet. I really don't know much about it.


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03-25-2005, 05:49 PM

So how bout this....

1-10 Prop 50-75mg ED
1-10 Tbol 60mg ED ....(split 3 x a day) (Maybe less tbol..I'm still looking into dosages.)


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So how bout this....

1-10 Prop 50-75mg ED
1-10 Tbol 60mg ED ....(split 3 x a day) (Maybe less tbol..I'm still looking into dosages.)
the turanabol will work great for what you are looking for from the cycle. it has almost 0 water retention and will give decent strength gains kinda like a mix between winny & dbol. if you have never used prop before, make sure you will be able to deal with the potential injection site irritation before you go ahead and plan a cycle based on using it. test enanthate or cypionate will work also just run some arimidex with it to cut down on bloat.
   
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03-26-2005, 05:42 PM

Thanks Pin... T-Bol is getting some great reviews on some of the other boards. Bro's are saying it is a lot like var. Most seem to be running it at 50 to 60mg ED.


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I want to chuck this in for you. Just because I have seen Oral TBol used before and have been around the bush to know O-TBol even if it is real, It is basically like taking Anavar/oxandrolone. These orals were hyped to have great results on lean mass and no water retention because they are a low dose oral d-bol in short. D-bol has an adrogenic level of 45 out of 100. and D-Bol has an anobolic level of 90 out of 100. Now oral TBol has a androgenic level of 6 out of 100 and an anoblic level of 53 out of 100. You can research that on steroid.com profile oral-Turinabol. What I want to say is look at the oral TBol it is basically a melted version of D-bol. Wolfy has the right idea for you. Test Prop is great for keeping mid levels of test up and the water retention down. Test propionate and Trenbolone acetate/Fina are great together you can stay strong, lean and attain lean gains. The oral TBol you have is about a useful as a 3mg D-Bol tab. Not to throw that at you in a bad way bro, but like I said makers of these compounds had to be-little the dose due to it's side effects and call for treatment. It wasn't manufactured originally for Body Builders. It was made for a low dose steroid treatment for say-growth retarded children or treatment for women breast cancer and other relative needs. We in our love for the game found these little items and some people rant and rave about a low dose oral or mild inj. Because it minimized side effects that we were use to from heavy test or anadrols and such. Okay this is way to long but all the anavars and primobolans and Equipoises are just examples of milder not as useful picks as to their melted knock offs. Try this10 Weeks) Week1-8 Test Propionate 200mg Every 3rd Day. Along With Trenbolone/Fina for Weeks 3-10 of 150mg Every 3rd day. Combine your PCT with TC "THIS WORKS" Use HCG 3000iu on week 5 and then again on week 8 and 10.same IU. During your cycle and after -Provirons @25mg per day on week 3,6,&9 taking them every other day. Will keep the water retention low and lack of sex drive away from the fina reversed. If you follw this you will get great lean mass results and drop BF%. Best wishes should you go this route.
   
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im going to add the rest of the info from steroid.com because although it does have a low androgenic rating they do seem to like it and recommend it on steroid.com they go as far as to say that it would be very popular with bodybuilders and powerlifters if it was available today which it is through a few ug labs and BD.


Oral-Turinabol is an oral steroid which was developed during the early 1960's.

OT has a pre***inantly anabolic effect which is combined with a relatively low androgenic component. On a scale of 1 to 100 the androgenic effect is very low -only a 6- and the anabolic effect is 53. (In comparison: the androgenic effect of Dianabol is 45 and its anabolic effect is 90.) Oral-Turinabol thus has milligram for milli-gram a lower effect than Dianabol. It is therefore not a steroid that causes a rapid gain in strength, weight, and muscle mass. Rather, the achievable results manifest themselves in a solid muscle gain and, if taken over several weeks, also in a good strength gain. The athlete will certainly not get a puffy look as is the case with Test-osterone, Dianabol, and Anadrol 50. The maximum blood concen-tration of Oral-Turinabol when taking 10, 20 or 40 mg/day is 1.5 -3.5 or 4.5 times the endogenous testosterone concentration (also see Dianabol). This clearly shows that the effectiveness of this compound strongly depends on the dosage.

0.4 x pound (body weight) x days = number of tablets to take overall during the interval of intake
mg / tablet


An athlete weighing 200 pounds would take only 4 tablets of 5 mg (20mg/day.) In our experience bodybuilders take 8-10 tablets of 5 mg, that is 40-50 mg/day. Many enthusiastically report good results with this dosage: one builds a solid muscle mass, the strength gain is worthwhile seeing, the water retention is very low, and the estrogen-caused side effects are rare. Not without good reason OT is also popular among powerlifters and weightlifters who appreciate these characteristics.

Due to its characteristics OT is also a suitable steroid both for men and women in competitions. A usually very effective stack for male bodybuilders consists of 50 mg OT/day, 228 mg Parabolan/week, and 150 mg Winstrol Depot/week. Those who have brought their body fat content to a low level by dieting and/or by using fatburning substances (e.g. Clenbuterol, Ephedrine, Salbutamol, Cytomel, Triacana), will find that the above steroid combination will manifest itself in hard, sharply-defined but still dense and full muscles. No enlarged breasts, no estrogen surplus, and no watery, puffy-look-ing muscle system. If OT were available on the U.S. black market for steroids, bodybuilders, powerlifters, and weightlifters would go crazy for this East German anabolic.

OT enjoys a great popularity since it is quickly broken down by the body and the metabolites are excreted relatively quickly through the urine. The often-posed question regarding how many days before a test OT can be taken in order to be "clean" is difficult to answer specifically or in general. We know from a reli-able source that athletes who only take OT as a steroid and who, in part, take dosages of 10- 15 tablets/day, have discontinued the com-pound exactly five days before a doping test and tested negative. These indications are supported by the fact that even positive urine analyses have rarely mentioned the names Oral-Turinabol or chlordehydromethyl-testosterone.

The potential side effects of OT usually depend on the dosage level and are gender-specific. in women, depending on their predisposi-tion, the usual virilization symptoms occur and increase when dos-ages of more than 20 mg per day are taken over a prolonged time. In men the already discussed reduced testosterone production can rarely be avoided. Gynecomastia occurs rarely with OT Since the response of the water and electrolyte household is not overly dis-tinct athletes only rarely report water retention and high blood pressure. Acne, gastrointestinal pain, and uncontrolled aggressive behavior are also the exception rather than the rule with OT An increased libido is reported in most cases by both sexes. Since the substance chlordehydromethyltestosterone is I 7-alpha alkylated the manufacturer in its package insert recommends that the liver func-tion be checked regularly since it can be negatively affected by high dosages and the risk of possible liver damage cannot be excluded. Thus OT is also a steroid that can be taken without interruption for long intervals. Studies of male athletes who over a period of six weeks were given 10 mg OT/day did not show any indications of health-threatening effects.

The availability of OT is extremely poor. There is no chance finding an original Oral-Turinabol tablet in the U.S.
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