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So here's my problem..

I ran a cycle a few years back of Test-E 500mg/wk for 10 weeks... Thought I knew what I was doing and ran some nolva/clomid for PCT.. I don't think I ever fully recovered, libido and moderate ED problems..

I've tried a few things, went to a few docs and my test is "normal" range along with everything else... although I was 20-21 when I used and now 23.

I actually got blood work a few times.. test levels came back anywhere from 383-804 ng/dcl ... Although when I had the higher 800+ I had been taking clomid again for a few weeks..

I want to get my boys down south working like they did prior to ever using.. .I've read some info that HCG and Clomid can help even a few years later as your test level are "suppressed" and not permanently damaged.

I have taken things to try and help ... test boosters and over the counter herbs and supplements (Zinc, ginkgo bilboa, enzyte, etc. ) and have a prescription for Viagra..

I almost never get spontaneous erections or morning wood.. and I feel like I'm 40 even though I'm 23..

I've been going to doctors and they all tell me the same thing- I'm fine and proceed to prescribe Viagra...

So somebody help me out, what can I do to get test production back to upper ceiling levels or maybe even through the roof a bit with my own guys doing the work ?

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07-12-2014, 03:03 PM

What are your estro levels- that's what's really going to matter at this point. If your Test is fine then maybe your estro and estradiol levels are outta whack..
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High prolactin possibly?


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07-12-2014, 03:24 PM

estro was normal range.. prolactin last time checked was just slightly out of range and endo said this is normal and can be caused by a variety of factors.. Test around 350 is pretty low and uncommon for my age though, I'm wondering if I can do a PCT even though I haven't done a second cycle
   
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07-12-2014, 03:27 PM

yes estro and prolactin?

also to answer your question...being as manly as possible will get your test as high as possible...lots of steak and eggs and leafy greens, lots of powerlifting and chopping down trees and hard manual labor...good quality sleep...testosterone is a demand pump, body gives you how much you need so you must demand more!
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Lol.. does anybody have a suggestion other than chopping down trees to get my boys less atrophied and have normal erections ? Something tells me turning into johnny aplpeseed isn't medically relevant here ..

Again estro was fine and prolactin was just out of the ordinary, last test was done in about february of this year..

When i was using clomid it was very light, 25mg a day sometimes 50mg but then I ran out after about a 2 week stint..

I'm thinking of getting a good amount to run 300mg day 1, then day 2-10 100 mg, with another 21-30 days just 50mg ...

Any suggestions ? I've read mixed things about using HCG off cycle and it seems to be controversial as to its benefits
   
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Yes you can run a pct again.
   
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07-12-2014, 04:09 PM

there is no magic pill dude....start chopping, don't be a pussy

prolactin can kill your boner, elevated prolactin is not normal, that's why there is a normal range...maybe try som caber or prami

it's controversial but a shot of triptorelin could help too...but self medicating is what got you into this mess in the first place, I really suggest being a metaphorical lumberjack

ya a little clomid didn't work so maybe a shitload more will work, great logic
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07-12-2014, 04:29 PM

Clomid is used medically to boost T levels in place of exogenous T but without the shutdown.

Do you know what your T levels were before you ever cycled?

I agree with the others that prolactin out of range can be a real problem here.

Most doctors know less about this stuff than they will ever admit. They have no fucking clue and can't relate so they don't ever investigate. Find a doc who gets the situation, hopefully that's been in the situation.

Did you use an PHs at any point? That's what I feel landed me in TRT territory.
   
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You're not very helpful..

So here's the issue.. If chopping trees was a suitable and effective PCT, I'm sure more users would use this idiotic suggest. Also, hormone levels are established normal ranges, and it is not uncommon for people to slightly fall out of those ranges.

For instance, police officers tend to have slightly elevated prolactin levels from their extended wearing of their vests, something I learned after the endo asked if I was a cop.

And the climid did help to an extent, but I ran out, so using more should work for more time and have a better effect, so actually yes, logically it makes more sense than chopping a tree.
   
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Never used anything other than Test-e and over the counter shit that wouldn't have any effect on hormones (protein, creatine, bcaa, etc)
   
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You're not very helpful..

So here's the issue.. If chopping trees was a suitable and effective PCT, I'm sure more users would use this idiotic suggest. Also, hormone levels are established normal ranges, and it is not uncommon for people to slightly fall out of those ranges.

For instance, police officers tend to have slightly elevated prolactin levels from their extended wearing of their vests, something I learned after the endo asked if I was a cop.

And the climid did help to an extent, but I ran out, so using more should work for more time and have a better effect, so actually yes, logically it makes more sense than chopping a tree.
I didn't say it wasn't common I said it wasn't natural...bullet proof vests ARE NOT NATURAL...if you want a NATURAL CURE do what I suggested, sorry it's not what you want to hear

clomid is used to TEMPORARILY, increase hormones for making a baby...my syntax may be crude but it's actually based on biology...unlike your approach of taking wild stabs in the dark

men with high testosterone aren't sitting on the couch eating tribulus pills and taking hcg... they are out there working their ass off and their balls are pumping out the juice to support the organism...I somehow doubt you are out there killing it everyday being a plump 240
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Your test level at 300ish has nothing to do with anything you're talking about IMO.

My test levels were at 297-305 when I was even 21 years old, and I was completely natural and always had been. You just naturally have low testosterone, plenty of men do. I had functioned 100% fine and never had *ANY* problems you have except I had low energy(which I didn't realize, and thought was normal) until I went on TRT.

I don't know how to help you - but it's not the low test, and it's apparently not estrogen. It must be prolactin or something psychological, I have no idea...sorry this doesn't help, but I'm just letting you know, I'm about 95%+ sure it's not your "low test" causing this - because otherwise I would have had the same problem IMO.

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Well test is based on an individual and is not universal... 300 might be
'\1 normal for your body but it certainly doesn't feel that way for mine. The ranges are just that, what people fall in, somebody that is used to 1000+ is certainly going to feel if they have a drop or only operating with half that. .
   
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on the same token though, you did have to eventually get TRT, and I'm not looking to do that as I don't think my problem is quite severe enough
   
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I'd suggest using cod liver oil and vitamin D every morning. The benefits to your testosterone production are well documented for these. Use everything at your disposal. I use these daily and anyone should even if they are not dealing with your particular issue. I also suggest zinc every night before bed. You may want to try the Power PCT program to help kick start your system. Good luck spidey.
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Can you give me a link to the power PCT program ?

I've read a lot about zinc and magnesium... have vitamin d and zinc laying around the house so started using those a few days ago and already woke up with about half a tent lol ..

Hopefully things keep getting better I'm going to at least use a clomid cycle and look into what you suggested though,

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Yeah, zinc and vitamin D are good stuff man.

Read and google as much as you can regarding this type of protocol.
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