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How to incorporate clen in my cycle - 02-18-2015, 07:15 PM

First post, a little background

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Since I am proneto hair loss, I'm forced to keep my test low.
What I'm trying to do is lose 3-5% bf, in 8 weeks, as well as put on as much mass as possible. My plans are to go with:

300 test e 1-10
300 deca 1-10
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60 tbol 1-6
And hopefully incorporate some clen to help shed some fat.

Does this sound ok, and what would you recommend as far as utilizing the clen

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Looks like you have something you are cutting for. You will "look" better swaping the deca for npp. I does need to run a bit higher than deca, about 20% comparably. Have you run clen before. Clen isn't liked by many and can usually be substituted with a solid diet and a little cardio if need be.
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Looks like you have something you are cutting for. You will "look" better swaping the deca for npp. I does need to run a bit higher than deca, about 20% comparably. Have you run clen before. Clen isn't liked by many and can usually be substituted with a solid diet and a little cardio if need be.
You have 8 weeks so Id probably just run an ECA Stack!
Get busy putting in some kitchen duty & clean up your diet.

Proper diet with ECA will work wonders if you put in the time, It dont come easy!
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^^^From a fellow clen hater^^^
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Looks like you have something you are cutting for. You will "look" better swaping the deca for npp. I does need to run a bit higher than deca, about 20% comparably. Have you run clen before. Clen isn't liked by many and can usually be substituted with a solid diet and a little cardio if need be.
Well what do you think about dropping the deca and adding Var weeks 5-10? Looks like NPP isn't too forgiving on those prone to estrogenic sides like I am.. No, I haven't ran clen.

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You have 8 weeks so Id probably just run an ECA Stack!
Get busy putting in some kitchen duty & clean up your diet.

Proper diet with ECA will work wonders if you put in the time, It dont come easy!
On top of the protocol I posted? And sorry, I meant to say 10 weeks.
   
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I wouldn't advise the var after running tbol for 6 weeks. Npp is no more estrogenic than deca, they are both nandrolones, just different esters. Npp does however seem to have less bloating than deca which is why I said it will do more your look. Lavey's suggestion of the eac stack would be in place of clen and used in conjunction with your cycle.
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I have one more question, what would you recommend nutrition wise to reach my goal? Not sure if I should go on a full on cutting diet, since I am trying to add a significant amount of mass, but was thinking around 3k cal, <100g carbs and at least 250g protein. Does this sound about right?

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Sorry RB if I seem a bit confused. You stated you would like to loose 5%bf (or 8-9 lbs) in 8 weeks. You also said you would like to add a significant amount of mass. In that time frame I would say if you hit your goal bf, even staying at you current weight would be impressive. Now if your lean bulking, you will certainly gain mass but problem won't reach your bf goal. At your current weight and activity level I would guess your caloric maintenance at somewhere between 2700 to 3000 calories. With 1 lb being 3500 calories, you can somewhat predict you weight loss through the manipulation of calories. As far as diet, here is a great general macro guideline to follow and keep carbs in and around workouts. uploadfromtaptalk1424366654902.png
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If you're running UGL test, you might want to double that dose. Based on bloods, basically every UGL test is running about 50-60% pure lately. 300 would probably put you towards the high end of natural.

If you have legit pharma test, don't worry about this post
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If you're running UGL test, you might want to double that dose. Based on bloods, basically every UGL test is running about 50-60% pure lately. 300 would probably put you towards the high end of natural.

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Balkan. Are they considered UGL? Nothing but good reviews...

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If you're running UGL test, you might want to double that dose. Based on bloods, basically every UGL test is running about 50-60% pure lately. 300 would probably put you towards the high end of natural.

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Sorry Zoey but I just had to laugh that a ugl rep would post this.
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Sorry RB if I seem a bit confused. You stated you would like to loose 5%bf (or 8-9 lbs) in 8 weeks. You also said you would like to add a significant amount of mass. In that time frame I would say if you hit your goal bf, even staying at you current weight would be impressive. Now if your lean bulking, you will certainly gain mass but problem won't reach your bf goal. At your current weight and activity level I would guess your caloric maintenance at somewhere between 2700 to 3000 calories. With 1 lb being 3500 calories, you can somewhat predict you weight loss through the manipulation of calories. As far as diet, here is a great general macro guideline to follow and keep carbs in and around workouts.
Very informative post, thanks for that. Is there a general rule of thumb as to which days should be high carb days?

And I guess I should have worded my post a little differently.. My expectation, which may not be entirely realistic, would be to cut 3-5% body fat, while at the same time AT LEAST maintaining my current measurements after PCT, except for waistline of course, lol.
   
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Your 3 biggest workouts as the are more than likely not consecutive
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What would be the ideal test ester to run with NPP for E3D injections?
   
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What would be the ideal test ester to run with NPP for E3D injections?
Any would be effective. Most guys go with test p and dose them together. I should add I would dose your npp at least eod.
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Any would be effective. Most guys go with test p and dose them together. I should add I would dose your npp at least eod.
So EOD test P and NPP. Any reason why I couldn't draw them in the same pin?
   
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So EOD test P and NPP. Any reason why I couldn't draw them in the same pin?
No reason at all. I always inject them together. Although prop can have sting to it sometimes so to start I would inject them separately to see how you react to each.


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