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Advice/reaction on next cycle sought - 12-09-2015, 09:21 PM

Gents:

I am just completing my 5th cycle, which ran as follows:

Weeks 1 - 6: 500 test enth, 400 tren enth, 500 iu hcg
Weeks 7-12: 750 test enth and 200 tren enth, 1000 iu hcg
Ate at least 4000 cal/day (should be more, I know...)
20 mg cialis and 1000 mg L-Arginine every day.

(I changed it up because I was getting some stomach trouble with the tren)

I put on 13 solid pounds, and look bigger and leaner. Increased all my lifts by about 20%. Very happy.

Off-cycle as of this weekend, but will continue 200 test cyp and hcg through 'cruise phase' until the beginning of february.

I am planning another 12 week cycle (my 6th) Feb 1. In addition to continue building mass, I will be training for my first APA powerlifting competition in May (Can-Am in Brattleboro, VT), push-pull contest.

This is the cycle I am contemplating:

750 Sustanon (maybe 1000?)
50 mg D-bol
hcg, cialis, and L-arginine as before.

I normally train 5 days a week, one body part per day (w/deadlifts and legs only on one day), rest on weekends.

I value your opinions and advice - no one here as ever steered me wrong. Thanks in advance (stats in my signature)


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12-10-2015, 12:14 AM

i wouldndo some resesrch on L-arginine and aakg. i think ot works for a good pump for me, but there was a scholastic scientific study/review that said it actually doesnt help at all andnit himders performance.

i stopped using it and it may be a placebo effect, but my endurance did increase a lot. i still get good pumps but maybe ill try going back on amd seeing if it hinders my performance now.


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12-10-2015, 01:05 AM

You need more time off between cycles.


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I've pretty much been on a 12-on, 8-off cycle ever since I started and my body appears to respond and recover well...what do you suggest?
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I've pretty much been on a 12-on, 8-off cycle ever since I started and my body appears to respond and recover well...what do you suggest?
I apologize that I responded to your cycle question like you were some sort of newbie.

The rule of thumb is to take off as much time as you were on.
Since there aren't a whole lot of studies involving the use of these compounds in the dosages and stacks that people like us run them it may just be bro-science.

If you're doing well this way then I suggest not paying attention to me and getting on with what's working for you. No one knows you as well as you know yourself. You're also obviously not a noob.

You're most likely getting regular labs (keeping an eye on liver and kidneys, RBC and BP) and regular medical check-ups with no red flags or anything to be concerned about so I would see no problems with your on/off times.

I've been doing this so long and seen so much since I started with AAS back in 1983 (yes, I am an old MF) that sometimes I start typing responses in these forums before my brain has processed what I've read. A abnormally high IQ can be a hindrance at times.

I am getting better about not coming across as an asshole...I think.

Sometimes I need to be reminded that not everyone who asks a cycle question is a noob...

I'll go back and look at your cycle again and see if I have anything constructive to offer you. Feel free to disregard anything or everything I have said or may say...
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I apologize that I responded to your cycle question like you were some sort of newbie...No one knows you as well as you know yourself. You're also obviously not a noob.

You're most likely getting regular labs (keeping an eye on liver and kidneys, RBC and BP) and regular medical check-ups with no red flags or anything to be concerned about so I would see no problems with your on/off times...
LOL! No problem, bro...I engage in the same "React, Re-react" dialogues all the time...

And yes, I actually get labs every 3 months because I'm HIV+, so it's pretty standard to get complete bloodwork regularly...and my doc (who knows I juice) keeps a close eye on liver & kidney values.

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Gents:

I am just completing my 5th cycle, which ran as follows:

Weeks 1 - 6: 500 test enth, 400 tren enth, 500 iu hcg
Weeks 7-12: 750 test enth and 200 tren enth, 1000 iu hcg
Ate at least 4000 cal/day (should be more, I know...)
20 mg cialis and 1000 mg L-Arginine every day.

(I changed it up because I was getting some stomach trouble with the tren)

I put on 13 solid pounds, and look bigger and leaner. Increased all my lifts by about 20%. Very happy.

Off-cycle as of this weekend, but will continue 200 test cyp and hcg through 'cruise phase' until the beginning of february.

I am planning another 12 week cycle (my 6th) Feb 1. In addition to continue building mass, I will be training for my first APA powerlifting competition in May (Can-Am in Brattleboro, VT), push-pull contest.

This is the cycle I am contemplating:

750 Sustanon (maybe 1000?)
50 mg D-bol
hcg, cialis, and L-arginine as before.

I normally train 5 days a week, one body part per day (w/deadlifts and legs only on one day), rest on weekends.

I value your opinions and advice - no one here as ever steered me wrong. Thanks in advance (stats in my signature)
Ever add anything to your cycles to help with collagen synthesis in order to keep your tendons and joints healthy? I think that would benefit you greatly given the shortened down time between cycles and the amount of mass you have put on.

Also, I have to ask, what is your goal? You seem to be wanting to put as much mass on as possible. And that is fine. But, I can't help but be concerned with your age and the fact that you are considering a 1g test cycle. To me, that seems extreme.

Of course, this is your body and I don't mean for my post to come off judgmental, as it is not my intention. Just looking out bro.
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12-10-2015, 07:57 PM

Go to walmart and pick up a vial of novolin-r for $23

15iu's preworkout

No reason to do a bulk cycle without it.
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L arginine is a great way to get a pump - endurance -no
At least not for me but I get a killer pump
I do 100mg and a teaspoon of creatine 20 mins before gym and candy -I used to pump up like a Ballon
   
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Ever add anything to your cycles to help with collagen synthesis in order to keep your tendons and joints healthy? I think that would benefit you greatly given the shortened down time between cycles and the amount of mass you have put on.

Also, I have to ask, what is your goal? You seem to be wanting to put as much mass on as possible. And that is fine. But, I can't help but be concerned with your age and the fact that you are considering a 1g test cycle. To me, that seems extreme.

Of course, this is your body and I don't mean for my post to come off judgmental, as it is not my intention. Just looking out bro.
1) Never used anything to help with collagen synthesis - I'm all ears though.

2) I am fighting the double uphill battle against age and muscle-wasting from HIV (even though the HIV is 100% under control and undetectable, if i do nothing, lipids will redistribute and muscle will shrink.) I know alot of guys here run a 1g cycle, so that's why I'm considering it - but its also why i asked. Again, I do bloodwork every 3 months, so its easy to catch something early if the blood or bp goes screwy. I seem to react negatively to most other cmompunds (eq, tren) so I'm pretty much left with test.

Your post is not judgemental. I've asked for advice, and that means getting it, whether I want to hear it or not. I'm a big boy, and if I was easily offended, i wouldn't ask...thanks


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Sorry I ment 1000mg of l-argunine 20 mins before gym
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I would look at adding anavar or maybe even primo to your stack.

Both will assist greatly in the synthesis of collagen which will in turn help you avoid injury which can often occur with the rapid increase of skeletal muscle.

Here is an extract detailing what I am saying(I'm not the author):

While injecting test increases protein syntesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.

Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.

Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen syn while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.

Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.

You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.

Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.

While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.

To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.

Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood

Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.

Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.
   
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HIV- They giving you a script of Growth Hormones?
Negatory on that...I'm so healthy (no detectable viral load, T-cells higher than the average person) it's not warranted.


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Running the dbol no more than 4 weeks?
Monitor BP and expect bloat.

As far as the high dose Test...if you're comfortable with it, go for it. Watch the e2 levels.

If adding insulin as some have suggested, rapid-acting Novolog or Humalog IMO is the better choice. There are articles and posts all over the forums (maybe not this one) on running slin. Some guys love the regular insulin but it does nothing for me...I never use any insulin before bed.

101's given you some good stuff to look into.
If you add Tren or Nandralone be sure to keep Caber on hand for prolactin sides.
If you add EQ be sure to donate blood during and after your cycle.
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Aren't doctors prescribing Deca to HIV+ males for muscle wasting? I thought there was a really big study done on that a few years ago that had an extremely favorable outcome? Can't remember exactly off the top of my head. I'll hit up Google tomorrow and see what I can find.


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Aren't doctors prescribing Deca to HIV+ males for muscle wasting? I thought there was a really big study done on that a few years ago that had an extremely favorable outcome? Can't remember exactly off the top of my head. I'll hit up Google tomorrow and see what I can find.

Some are - I actually had a Rx through a doctor at a TRT center - but insurance companies aren't covering. Besides, i used deca on my first cycle, and deca kills my dick...and if i have to make a choice between growing and fucking...well...fucking wins. lol


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So as long as you stay healthy your "hiv" is undetectable? or you have to take a special medication too? that is so fascinating!

anyways, my vote (I'm the health nazi mind you) is enough test to keep your dong at God status and then as much primobolan as you can afford to polish the physique and then just work on proportionality and aesthetics

I'm paranoid tho cause my father died at 59 and I work in healthcare so I know what is waiting for all of us so take what I say with a grain of salt(no more than 1500mg's of salt tho)....
   
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So as long as you stay healthy your "hiv" is undetectable? or you have to take a special medication too? that is so fascinating!...
It's actually the opposite: as long you take your medication with 95% conformity or better, you can be damned healthy. I've been on the Board of Directors of several HIV health agencies and have had HIV for 7.5 years, so this is a subject I'm pretty well versed in.

In the past (80s, 90s) we had no idea how to control the HIV from replicating, so for most people, it progressed to AIDs very quickly.

Today, we can't "kill" the virus yet, but we know how to keep it from replicating, with a drug cocktail called "HAART" (Highly Active Anti-Retroviral Treatment.) In more than 98% of the cases, guys who go on HAART (and stick with their regimen 95% of the time), the virus almost completely stops replicating.

For example, when I seroconverted (caught HIV) 7.5 years ago, there were 3,000,000 viral copies per mL of bood in my body. ^ months later - and for the last 7 years - the Virus is *undetectable,* meaning that there is so little of it that it can't be measured in our most sensitive tests.

My T-cells (the type of white blood cell that the virus attacks) constituted only 5% of my total white blood cell count when I sero-converted; it should be 30%. Today, they are are more than 40%.

With a virus that has been held in check, and White Blood Cells better than average, that means two things:

1) I am healthy enough to fight off all possible opportunistic infections; and
2) I can fuck and not transmit the disease. An HIV+ person with an undetectable viral load can not transmit the virus: there is no case in medial history over the last 35 years of this ever happening. My partner is HIV negative, and our doctor has no concerns whatsoever.

Long-winded answer to your question, but it's a big part of my life...and a personal soapbox. I talk to a lot of school classes...


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Aren't doctors prescribing Deca to HIV+ males for muscle wasting? I thought there was a really big study done on that a few years ago that had an extremely favorable outcome? Can't remember exactly off the top of my head. I'll hit up Google tomorrow and see what I can find.
Nandralone Decanoate is prescribed to patients to prevent muscle wasting for a number of conditions including HIV+ patients and patients undergoing Hemodialysis even some cancer patients...I'm sure the list goes on.


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