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Anyone loading up for bear and looking to grow this off season.

I think I'm about do to step back on the juice.........lol

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Anyone loading up for bear and looking to grow this off season.

I think I'm about do to step back on the juice.........lol

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I'll be running as much as I can take no doubt......any suggestions


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Back on for sure Can't be letting you young bucks get all jacked without me.......lol
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Back on for sure Can't be letting you young bucks get all jacked without me.......lol
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I'll be running as much as I can take no doubt......any suggestions
Instead of me belting out what works best for me I thought I would post this up and maybe we could have some fun deciding witch ones you guys would like and (why)? As far as I'm concerned, any cycle I run will include at least one of the steroids I pointed out work better than the rest in a previous post.......enjoy the read.




10 of the best steroid cycles.

There are loads of great cycles of steroids aimed at different standards of bodybuilder or looking at different outcome. I've just picked out ten great ones and given a brief description for each. Please bear in mind that sometimes there are different names for drugs depending on where you are in the world or who makes it.

Most importantly - do not even consider using steroids unless your diet is ideal for gaining muscle mass, even if you are looking to increase your definition. You should also be training very hard and regular. Make sure your natural gains have slowed down if this is to be your first time. Read the other articles on MuscleTalk, or post questions on the board if you have any queries.

Gynecomastia (presence of female breast tissue) and other aromatising side effects of some steroids (for example water retention) may be more apparent in certain individuals. If this is a problem take 20mg per day of Nolvadex / Tamoxifen until symptoms disappear, then continue with 10mg per day until the end of the cycle, or Clomid. It is generally thought best not to take Nolvadex unless you have these side effects, though it is good practice to keep some in stock in case it's required.

Clomid or HCG may be taken post cycle if a few weeks break is expected. This is in order to help kick start your own natural testosterone secretion, to minimise post-cycle side effects and, more importantly, to minimise any muscle loss after a course. There are a number of recommended ways to take Clomid, but an effective method is: 100mg per day for 7 days commencing 7-18 days post cycle depending on what is in the cycle. This is followed by a further 50mg per day for a further 2 weeks.

Some folk prefer to use HCG, and after heavy stacks both may be suggested. HCG should commence during the last week, with a jab weekly, for 3 jabs of 2500iu each.

Also I've not mentioned beta-agonists, thyroid hormones or growth hormone in this article. These can be added to any of the stacks as appropriate.

Warning: some of these are over the top and should only be used by top professional that are dedicated for life to the goal of being Mr. Olympia

1. Beginner Cycle #1
The most frequently asked question in the steroids forum is for a great effective beginners cycle:

Deca durabolan - 200-400mg per week for 8 weeks
Testosterone Enanthate - 500mg per week for 8 weeks

This is a standard first course recommended by most, even if the individual wishes to lose fat (as diet is the key to fat mobilisation, NOT gear). Whether you opt for Testaviron or Sustanon is personal choice or depends on availability; both are great drugs. 400mg of Deca per week is generally assumed to be the minimum amount for gains, however, many first time users do extremely well on less than this.

Continue on this for the full 8 weeks, but if you are still growing well, why stop? Review gains every two weeks, and it may be continued for 10, 12 or more weeks.

Nolvadex should be on hand in case symptoms of aromatisation become apparent. Clomid should be used post cycle commencing at 10-14 days afterwards.

The testosterone and the Deca can be split down into 2-3 shots per week: 250mg of test (1ml) plus 100mg of Deca (1ml) mixed into the same syringe, and another of 200mg of Deca (2ml).

2. Beginners Cycle #2 - The Classic Mass Builder
This is a variation on the above:

Deca durabolan - 400mg per week for 8 weeks
Testosterone Enanthate - 500mg per week for 8 weeks
Dianabol - 30mg per day, six days per week for 6 weeks

This stack should produce good results for the steroid user looking for mass. Here the Deca should be 400mg for optimum effects, and the Dianabol at the onset helps kick start the cycle while you are waiting for the longer acting Deca and test to take effect.

Nolvadex should be on hand in case symptoms of aromatisation become apparent. Clomid should be used post cycle commencing at 10-14 days afterwards. You may hold a lot of water from this brought about by the Dianabol and the testosterone but this can be reduced by the use of Nolvadex / Tamoxifen or Arimidex.

The dosage of Dianabol may be divided out through out the day and taken every 3-4 hrs as it has such a short half-life. Though most people take half in the morning and half in the evening. Take them with / after a protein-based meal.

The testosterone and the Deca can be split down into 3 shots per week: 250mg of test (1ml) plus 100mg of Deca (1ml) mixed into the same syringe, and another of 200mg of Deca (2ml).

3. Nick's Favourite - well, one of many!
One of my many favourites, again a variation on the above, just with more dosage. This one is a great mass builder and for the more advanced bodybuilder:

Testosterone Enanthate- 750mg per week for 8 weeks
Deca durabolan - 500mg per week for 8 weeks
Dianabol (Naposims) - 30mg per day, Monday to Friday weeks 2-7

This is a big stack, but not huge, but bloody great !!! I always seem to grow well on Testaviron.

The above instructions apply, i.e. Nolvadex, Clomid, etc. Clomid should begin 7 days post cycle.

4. A Biggy from Trident
Trident claims this is his favourite cycle which he has done a few times:

Weeks 1 - 4
Sustanon 250 - 1,000mg per week
Testosterone Enanthate - 1,000mg per week
Anadrol50 / Anapolan 50 - 100mg per day


Weeks 5 - 8
Sustanon 250 - 500mg per week
Testaviron depot - 1,500mg per week
Dianabol / Anabol - 50mg per day
Deca durabolan - 400mg per week


Weeks 9 - 12
Sustanon 250 - 500mg per week
Testaviron depot - 250mg per week
Deca durabolan - 400mg per week


Nolvadex 10mg per day all through
Proviron - 50mg per day weeks 2 to 6.
Commence Clomid week 10 - 50mgs per day for 14 days
HCG - 2 shots per week of 2500iu with the Clomid


This is a big cycle, and very androgenic. Like me, Trident swears by Testaviron. Side effects may be high, hence the use of Nolvadex throughout, and the use of Clomid commencing 14 days afterwards, and HCG before the end of the cycle. The use of HCG gets your own testosterone levels up before any fall in androgens. There is a degree of tapering in this cycle due to its high testosterone amounts.

5. Superman's Super Stack
This is another great lean mass builder, from a prominent member:

Finajet / Trenbolone - 75mg per day
Winstrol - 50mg per day
Testosterone propionate / Viromone - 100mg every other day


A six-week course and the usual precautions apply.

6. Phantomdh's 'Sus-deca-dbol-end-with-winny' Stack
Phantomdh's favorite cycle is the 'Sus-deca-dbol-end-with-winny' cycle:

Sustanon 250 - 500mg per week, weeks 1-10
Deca durabolan - 400mg per week, weeks 1-10
Dianabol - 35mg per day, weeks 1-4
Winstrol 30mg/ed, weeks 5-10


This is another great mass builder. The usual precautions apply.

7. A Testosterone-Free Lean Mass Builder
This is one if you want to avoid testosterone-based steroids. It's too often assumed that just because 'mild' steroids like Primabolan are not very androgenic, then they're not very good mass builders. Remember, all steroids are anabolic, and Primabolan as part of a stack is an excellent adjunct:

Primabolan depot - 300mg per week for 8 weeks
Deca durabolan - 400mg per week for 8 weeks
Winstrol - 150mg per week, weeks 2-7

This is not a huge stack, but is great for building quality, lean size (coupled with a sensible diet). We have a number of non-bodybuilding members of MuscleTalk, e.g. athletes, footballers, etc, and this may be a great cycle for them to try.

8. Knorkop's Frontloader
This is a great cycle from Knorkop, used as an example of frontloading Equipoise and Deca:

Week 1 - Frontloading
Equipoise / Bolderbol-H - 800mg per week
Deca durabolan - 800mg per week
Testosterone propionate / Viromone - 100 mg every other day


Week 2
Equipoise / Bolderbol-H - 400mg per week
Deca durabolan - 400mg per week
Testosterone propionate / Viromone - 100 mg every other day


Week 3 - 4
Equipoise / Bolderbol-H - 400mg per week
Deca durabolan - 400mg per week
Winstrol - 50mg every other day


Week 5 - 8
Equipoise / Bolderbol-H - 400mg per week
Deca durabolan - 400mg per week
Winstrol - 50mg every other day


Week 9 and 10:
Equipoise / Bolderbol-H - 400mg per week
Deca durabolan - 400mg per week
Testosterone propionate / Viromone: 100mg every other day


This is a great lean mass builder again, showing how frontloading is done. The downside is a lot of jabs, due to Equipoise being just 50mg per 1ml. The usual precautions apply, and use HCG and Clomid post cycle at 7 days.

9. Wrongun's Mind Blower:
This 'Mind Blowing Stack' was posted by Wrongun. It is a heavy androgenic cycle, and only for use by the experienced gear-user.

Testosterone Enanthate- 1,000mg per week, weeks 1-10
Equipoise - 800mg per week, weeks 1-10
Dianabol - 50-75mg per day, weeks 1-5/6
Testosterone suspension - 100mg per day, weeks 1-4/5
Finajet/Trenbolone - 150mg per day, last 4-6 weeks
Winstrol at the last - 100mg per day, last 4-6 weeks

This is not for the faint hearted, and certainly for advanced bodybuilders only. Equipoise is used rather than Deca so as not to overdo progesterone aromatisation. This involves a lot of injections, so try to get Ttokkyo Equipoise, as this is 200mg per 1ml, as opposed to Ganabol or Bolderbol H, which is 50mg per 1ml.

Side effects will be high on this so take precautions. I would recommend Nolvadex use throughout at 10mg per day, or Arimidex 1mg every other day. Clomid and HCG post cycle are a must - commence the HCG in the last week of the cycle, but Clomid 14 days afterwards

10. Another Favorite!
Nice and simple, but very effective:

Anadrol 50 / Anapolan 50 - 100mg per day, 6 days per week
Deca durabolan - 400mg per week

The usual precautions are a must here, with Clomid commencing 7 days post cycle.
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Be using the good ole test, deca, dbol. Some Black tops from TP along with it.

Been doing well for a while now on a little of nothing, ready to bump it up a notch


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The EQ one is a little old right?
You have on it - it would be a lot of jabs with eq only being 50mg
still a great stack
Could you use some thing else instead of winni?
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What cam you use instead of clomid.
10 to 15 mins after taking one - I start to swet real bad - puke and them I am good to go
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My blasts are pretty much during season/preps...... my overall use is lower in the "off season".... i'm not going after size anymore so I'm just doing about 400ish mg of T400 weekly and 3.33ius daily of TP Blacks... sittin at a fluffy 223...lol
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rAJJIN and I are on the same page. Test (I like sust), deca, tren e, dbol.
I'm fine combining the deca and tren. I take 10mg nolva as prevention but I'm sure I'd be fine without it. People also use promo or caber - I can't use the latter due to a mitral valve prolapse (MVP).
I use slin on training days, 3-4 days a week. My diet on those days is obviously different carb wise on non-slin days. I'm currently using ghrp2 and cjc no dac 3x daily at 100mcg each and I'm going to use 2.5 iu GH daily post workout.
I'm planning on putting IGF1 LR3 into the mix at 50mcg daily post workout in the trained muscles.


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What kinds off work out would you do with the big test deca dbal mk677 lantus and hgh?
Lies of recovery with that cycle

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Currently on test e at 500 and dhb at 510 sitting at 202 and looking for 215-220. Ran drol at 50 for 3 weeks and a day hen had to cut it cuz sides were getting too much.
   
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Currently on 90 mg of test and 150 mg of deca. But I would go with #7
winny, deca and primo.....Ive never tried primo. Ive never tried that combo at all.
   
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What cam you use instead of clomid.
10 to 15 mins after taking one - I start to swet real bad - puke and them I am good to go
So I stay away
In my 25+ years of steroid use I've only used 1 clomid.
Similar to you it just did not sit well with me. Bad enough i never wanted to take another one and haven't.


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I plan to grow but not going to go heavy with doses. I will likely keep it simple. Well that's the plan!
   
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