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When to use growth/insulin vs gear for health. - 02-22-2018, 11:32 PM

Here's a question.

In your opinion, at what point is it healthier to add in growth and insulin instead of just more anabolics?

I'm not near that point but I'm curious what yall think.
   
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Ok, I can see this question causing a lot of contention. There are 2 very divided camps on this idea. Personally, I fall into the camp that says that I’m never going to be big enough that it’s going to be worth using insulin. My dreams of competing are behind me, I’m never going to be on the cover of a magazine, and no sponsor is ever going to give me money or product due to my physique being so incredible. And frankly, 99% of the guys on this and most other boards probably fall into the same category, if they’re honest with themselves.

The only reason I can see to use insulin is if you’ve essentially gotten as big as you can using every other method available. With any drug you put in your body, there should be a cost/benefit analysis done beforehand. Can insulin be run safely? Of course it can. Can insulin be dangerous if run incorrectly by someone that lacks experience and basic sense? Abso-fucking-lutely. That doesn’t pass my risk/reward assessment.

I can get as big as I want/need to be with AAS alone. My desire to be a mass monster is long gone, much like my chances of becoming a porn star. There’s just nothing positive that insulin can do for me that can outweigh the negative things it can do to me if I mess up.


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I could see that. My thoughts were that if used correctly, adding GH or insulin instead of increasing the gear dose might be better. I know there are some folks who are in the test/gh only camp because it tends to be low sides as it's bioidentical and your body understands how to use it.
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Using GH early on at a low dose can be beneficial in keeping your total AAS dose lower.

There's also something to be said about exogenous testosterone, no endogenous production and tendon integrity and strength decline as you age (especially if you train heavy) which often times leads to catastrophic injuries, that's why having GH in the mix can be greatly benefit and should be considered for long term steroid users.

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To what extent do you think having no endogenous test production affects natural growth hormone production?
   
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Just adding gh will greatly improve your cycle results. I would save the slin for much further along your journey if you still want to increase your size.
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To what extent do you think having no endogenous test production affects natural growth hormone production?
It doesn't effect endogenous GH production. But there's something to be said about cutting off lh and fsh signals completely and injuries in bodybuilders.

Dante Trudel was the guy who first shared this on pro muscle; and it seems like an ongoing pattern.

Perhaps someone smarter and more experienced can talk more about it.

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I could see that. My thoughts were that if used correctly, adding GH or insulin instead of increasing the gear dose might be better. I know there are some folks who are in the test/gh only camp because it tends to be low sides as it's bioidentical and your body understands how to use it.
I have been trying to drive this point home for years. IMO, light insulin use to intern be able to use low doses is more beneficial than the opposite.

How many times have you read "Test/HGH/Slin is the bomb? There's a reason.........


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I have been trying to drive this point home for years. IMO, light insulin use to intern be able to use low doses is more beneficial than the opposite.

How many times have you read "Test/HGH/Slin is the bomb? There's a reason.........
I get that there is some danger in using insulin but there are also millions of diabetics out there using it. The user is what makes it dangerous.

Would I be wrong to go down the train of thought that some insulin use will reduce the work load on the pancreas when caloric load is high???
   
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I get that there is some danger in using insulin but there are also millions of diabetics out there using it. The user is what makes it dangerous.

Would I be wrong to go down the train of thought that some insulin use will reduce the work load on the pancreas when caloric load is high???
Insulin is like a Ferrari.

It can be driven safely or you can drive it off a cliff; all in the method.

It's just another tool in the arsenal. People nowadays just put everything in absolutes.

Edit: you are right, it does take stress off the beta cells in that calorie dense environment especially if GH is present at a decent dose.

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When to use growth/insulin vs gear for health. - 02-25-2018, 11:36 AM

Iím not a bodybuilder. I have a build comparable to a good physique competitor. Iím 41 and have been incorporated slin into my cruise and honestly I am looking and holding the best shape for so little gear. I dropped my cruise dose from 100mg twice a weeks to 15mg every day and running 5iu Chinese generics and 15iu Humaljn R preworkout. I just matched the insulin to my regular carb intake with the added intra workout drinks I now incorporate. Do I need it? Of course not but for me this has all been an educational journey. I read up everything and educated myself for about two years before ever adding any compound including test, GH and slin.


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I get that there is some danger in using insulin but there are also millions of diabetics out there using it. The user is what makes it dangerous.
Disagree. As an EMT, I’ve gone on literally thousands of medical runs for experienced insulin users, that require it to stay alive, that have used it for decades, and are dangerously close to death or long term harm by no fault of their own.

Can the potential dangers of insulin use be mitigated to a large degree? Yes, of course. But not all of the danger in insulin can be mitigated at all times. Simply blaming the user is short sighted and shows that you have a dangerous lack of knowledge about the topic.


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