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Does anyone not use AI on Test Cycles?
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Does anyone not use AI on Test Cycles? - 04-17-2019, 11:57 AM

Is it possible to run 500mg+ of test per week without having to use an AI?

As estrogen is essential for muscle growth, why take an AI? Do you believe in the theory that it is the T:E ratio that matters? So if you take 500mg and more of test, it is normal to see higher estrogen levels as your body tries to find homeostasis?

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04-17-2019, 12:12 PM

We all know who you are from Professional Muscle. You've posted this same thread countless times there. You're not going to get different answers here.
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We all know who you are from Professional Muscle. You've posted this same thread countless times there. You're not going to get different answers here.
Not true. I dont know who he is.
I'll answer your question and in idgaf who you are on any board in the known or unknown universe.
Some people will have estrogen problems on trt doses.
There are a lot of variables: age; liver clearance; amount of shbg; % of bodfat ; if you drink alcohol et al. Other meds.
Too much to name and analyze with no info about you.
I need an AI at anything over 250mg/wk/t.
Ratio of t to e does matter but its still needs to be closer to bottom.
People may not agree but you still have various body tissue like prostate and breast not giving af about the ratio. If it's high its high and will be dealt with according to your individual system.
With that being said you need to run labs and see what's going on.
Walkin labs is cheap and easy. It will tell you exactly what's going on.

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Everyone is different. I usually don't use an AI at that dose. If I have any issues I use Nolva. I use an AI as a last resort because it's hard on my lipid profile.
   
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Is it possible to run 500mg+ of test per week without having to use an AI?

As estrogen is essential for muscle growth, why take an AI? Do you believe in the theory that it is the T:E ratio that matters? So if you take 500mg and more of test, it is normal to see higher estrogen levels as your body tries to find homeostasis?

Or Do you all take AI?
definitely need AI or your estro will be 2-3x normal levels (normal level being 30)
   
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Everyone is different. I usually don't use an AI at that dose. If I have any issues I use Nolva. I use an AI as a last resort because it's hard on my lipid profile.


I do use an AI on cycle but no one can give a definite answer to this as you posted everyone is different. Some would be fine on no AI with 500mg test. I prefer to use 1/4 aromasin tab daily on 500mg.


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I only need an AI with deca. Lucky i guess

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Not true. I dont know who he is.
I'll answer your question and in idgaf who you are on any board in the known or unknown universe.
Some people will have estrogen problems on trt doses.
There are a lot of variables: age; liver clearance; amount of shbg; % of bodfat ; if you drink alcohol et al. Other meds.
Too much to name and analyze with no info about you.
I need an AI at anything over 250mg/wk/t.
Ratio of t to e does matter but its still needs to be closer to bottom.
People may not agree but you still have various body tissue like prostate and breast not giving af about the ratio. If it's high its high and will be dealt with according to your individual system.
With that being said you need to run labs and see what's going on.
Walkin labs is cheap and easy. It will tell you exactly what's going on.

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No Daniel is correct this guy is getting pretty well known as the face bloat guy on promuscle. Started multiple threads on the same subject. Starts the thread barely ever posts then starts another thread on a similar subject and the cycle repeats. He had 25 threads and 100 posts when I checked. Seems obsessed with facial bloat. When you respond with detail and the thought of trying to help him out you get no reply and within 1 week a new thread is up. I tried to help him on promuscle the other day but he hasn't replied to me.
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No Daniel is correct this guy is getting pretty well known as the face bloat guy on promuscle. Started multiple threads on the same subject. Starts the thread barely ever posts then starts another thread on a similar subject and the cycle repeats. He had 25 threads and 100 posts when I checked. Seems obsessed with facial bloat. When you respond with detail and the thought of trying to help him out you get no reply and within 1 week a new thread is up. I tried to help him on promuscle the other day but he hasn't replied to me.
Yea I honestly thought he would post back something in response.
Is he trolling or just a dumb fucking kid? Or maybe both?
I'll take the time to help people 99% of the time. But if they're just stupid/incapable of being helped because they have some shit stuck in their head somebody's told them and arent going to quit until they either read that or meet a quota with replies they want, I would just as soon they fuck off and die.

Irl I get asked so many questions all the time and I make a judgement call about if I should answer and to what depth or just give them a bullshit nothing answer.
Most often it's a waste of breath because people are never gonna do shit and in their heads its "one day I'm gonna hit the gym and do roids" or wtf ever when really they're never gonna do jack shit and if they did their minds are too polluted into thinking it's all about just taking the right drugs and they'll be a superstar.


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No Daniel is correct this guy is getting pretty well known as the face bloat guy on promuscle. Started multiple threads on the same subject. Starts the thread barely ever posts then starts another thread on a similar subject and the cycle repeats. He had 25 threads and 100 posts when I checked. Seems obsessed with facial bloat. When you respond with detail and the thought of trying to help him out you get no reply and within 1 week a new thread is up. I tried to help him on promuscle the other day but he hasn't replied to me.

He does post back but only when you tell him what he wants to hear, if you try to actually help he ignores you. At this point Iím fairly certain heís just a messing with us, he has dozens of threads on the same subjects with hundreds of solid replies but still keeps making more...
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Either troll or one of those jackasses that doesn’t stop until he hears what he wants to hear whether it’s true or not, those ones pop up a lot too.
   
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He does post back but only when you tell him what he wants to hear, if you try to actually help he ignores you. At this point I’m fairly certain he’s just a messing with us, he has dozens of threads on the same subjects with hundreds of solid replies but still keeps making more...
As FrancisK posted dozens of threads on the same subjects. Yes he is averaging about 4 posts per thread and he does reply to select posts. He basically ignores anything worthwhile and just agrees with anything that matches what he thinks. The obvious question should be why start all the threads then if you don't take people's advice.

I honestly don't think he is a troll... well not purposely. Some guys are just mental. I don't think there will be anything wrong with his face. In 2017 he was 6ft 1 and 160 pounds so there you go. I assume he started eating more and added some fat/water and that's what his obsession stems from. I have asked him all the necessary questions (stats, diet, goal, drugs, water intake etc) on pro muscle so just waiting for a reply.

As you all know anyone eating a surplus of calories could get a more bloated face. Add drugs into the equation such as test, adrol, dbol and that bloat could be increased. He created a thread about adrol recently as well. Moreover if he is now using 500mg test with no AI that is an obvious answer. I have had a bloated face many times and who cares. I have asked to see his pics as well just so we can see what he means and maybe help out.
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Guys like him pop up all the time, they already have their mind set and just want affirmation doesn't matter if it's right or wrong. His discussion isn't necessarily a bad one it's just been beat to death by his own doing. That and what really bothers me is that he contributes absolutely nothing, every one of his posts is a self serving question, those guys are the worst of all of them. You know, that guy who gets on here says he's being doing gear and lifting for 30 years asks a question gets his answer never responds and then disappears until he needs another self serving question answered, those guys piss me off.

I bet if you searched hard enough online you would find someone somewhere touting the benefits of drinking bleach and there is someone out there reading it and nodding their head.
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I bet if you searched hard enough online you would find someone somewhere touting the benefits of drinking bleach and there is someone out there reading it and nodding their head.
You donít have to search very hard. Several women have been in the news lately because they had to be arrested to prevent them from making their kids drink bleach, in order to ďcure the autisms and kill all the toxins in their bodies.Ē


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You donít have to search very hard. Several women have been in the news lately because they had to be arrested to prevent them from making their kids drink bleach, in order to ďcure the autisms and kill all the toxins in their bodies.Ē
I was totally joking just coming up with the most outlandish thing possible....

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https://www.foxnews.com/us/mom-who-t...ach-police-say

Sadly, that’s not even close to the only example.


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Many pros use nolva over an AI, I know John meadows has been very open about this. There is quite a bit of data coming out on the dangers of aiís causing micro blisters in the arteries. Iíve never just used nolva, that scares me but I might give it a shot. Last cycle I didnít use anything and was fine, I think the mast helped.
   
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Overall it is all based on yourself.. some guys can run 500mg test with no AI and get minimal estro spike related issues.. then we have others who run 4-500 and start to get itchy nips, puffiness, lethargic etc.. I can run 750 test with 0.5 adex every 3-4 days if that and be fine.
   
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Deca will tend to increase the prolactin so caber or prami of the sort would help battle that
   
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These days I tend to run low test so I try to avoid using an AI when possible. I sometimes use 20mg nolva on cycle but never for long periods.
   
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