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Question Mass Cycle Right? - 07-24-2005, 06:06 PM

Hey Fellas - I am just finishing my first cycle of Cyp and GH and planning my next cycle for this fall. I made some good gains, but mostly cut up from the GH.

I am going all out for shere mass with this cycle and wanted to get a sanity check. The questions I have are
1. Does the stack or overall cycle make sense?
2. Should I run HCG during the cycle?
3. Are my PCT dosages and timing right?

Goal: 20lbs hard lean mass
Stats: 5'10", 211lbs, 48in chest, 17in Bi's

Week
\Enth\ __ \Deca\ __ \D-bol\ __ \Tren\
1 250mg \ 200mg \ 20mg ED
2 400mg \ 200mg \ 20mg ED
3 500mg \ 300mg \ 20mg ED
4 500mg \ 400mg \ 20mg ED
5 500mg \ 400mg \ 20mg ED
6 500mg \ 300mg \ 20mg ED
7 500mg \ 200mg \ 20mg ED
8 500mg \ 200mg \ 20mg ED
9 500mg -------- ------- \ 75mg ED
10 400mg -------- ------- \ 75mg ED
11 250mg -------- ------- \ 75mg ED
12 250mg -------- ------- \ 75mg ED

During cycle
Nolva 10mg ED
Dex .25-.50gm EOD week 3-16
Fina 5mg ED

PCT
Wks 13-14 T3 .25mcg ED/Clen Cycle 40mcg-100mcg
Wk 15-16 500mg HCG for 10 days
Wk 16 100mg Clomid x10 days, 50mg x10, 25mg 10 days
   
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07-24-2005, 06:44 PM

Def going to get some fat and bloat with the extra mass using test e and dbol. If you are already ripped or trying to get ripped you may want to try another cycle IMO.
   
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07-24-2005, 08:42 PM

If it were me I would go
week1-12 test e 500mg
1-10 deca 400 mg
1-4 dbol 40mg
You may be wasting the gear with the low doses.


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07-24-2005, 08:54 PM

do not pyramid your gear at the beginning of the cycle. start at whatever your max dosages will be and pyramid down the last 3 weeks . if you run the pct prposed you could actually not even pyramid down but just stop cold as long as the pct is started 3 weeks after the last injection.
   
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07-24-2005, 09:12 PM

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do not pyramid your gear at the beginning of the cycle. start at whatever your max dosages will be and pyramid down the last 3 weeks . if you run the pct prposed you could actually not even pyramid down but just stop cold as long as the pct is started 3 weeks after the last injection.
yes how could I overlook that lol. If you use this cycle run the same doses the whole way thru.
   
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07-29-2005, 12:14 AM

Thanks for all the great feedback. I should have also mentioned I am a hard gainer. I can pound down the cal, carbs and protein in good proportion and still not gain as much as most will. I get cut rather easily and strength goes way up which is what happened by the end of my 1st cycle of 400mg cyp 10wks and 2 iu GH for 14wks. I also took .25 dex during cycle. I was worried about bloat on the cyp, but it didn't happen.

I gained a solid inch on my arms and 1.5' on my legs and calves (which are looking killer). Starting weight was 218 ending weight is 211. I am doing pct for the cycle and want to plan something a little more hardcore for the next run.

So here's the revised cycle:
Wk 1-4 40mg Dbol ED
Wk 1-10 400mg Deca
Wk 1-12 500mg TestE

During cycle
Wk 5-6 500mg HCG x10 days
Nolva 10mg ED
Dex .25-.50gm EOD week 3-16
Fina 5mg ED

PCT
Wks 13-14 Clen Cycle 40mcg-100mcg
Starting Wk 15 500mg HCG for 10 days
Starting Wk 16 Clomid 300mgx1 day then 100mg x10 days, 50mg x10 days
   
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09-29-2005, 03:26 AM

Looks good, only thing I would suggest is start using the HCG week 12, whats the reason for the 10 day HCG in the middle of the cycle, I would say pull that out or either go with hcg from 5-6 and from there on, I'm guessing you did that to kick your testosterone up again when its just stopped, wonder what others will say on that. other than that good cycle I'm contemplating the Deca, Test E, with tbol in the beginning for my next cycle.
   
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09-29-2005, 05:50 PM

can he do HCG all the way thru ? once a week 500UI?
   
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09-29-2005, 09:21 PM

I wouldn't suggest doing HCG all the way through but many people do it to keep the natural testosterone running throughout, the reason I wouldn't suggest it is the Leydig's cells that promote the testosterone production with the HCG become de-sensitized over long periods. And also the HCG promotes Testosterone production for several days so the best method is to use 500IU's Twice a week.

Big N Hairy had the right idea I just read a good article, which some people use HCG for 1-3 weeks in the middle of a cycle to promote testosterone production after its just been shut down.

Also HCG takes some time to kick in to start production of testosterone which is why you'd want to start HCG therapy in WK 12.

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09-30-2005, 06:15 AM

Your deca dose is to close to your test dose...I've always tried a 60-40 ...
   
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