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This is the NFL - 11-06-2012, 07:02 PM

Just a thread for anything NFL. Can be some old trivia, this weeks games, player news and notes, whatever you want to say about the N-F-L !

Trivia note: The title of the thread was the name of the old weekly NFL highlight show that came on every Saturday
   
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First post, I'm going to deliver the interesting bit of Quarterback information that I've been working on. What I've done is take great seasons from QB's of the past and adjust their statistics, based on league averages, to IF they had played in the 2011 NFL season and played in all 16 games.

What prompted me to do this was how the NFL has evolved into a passing league, so the old standards of the past for greatness; 4,000 yards, 30 td's have become more commonplace due to the high number of attempts and even higher completion percentage, because of the dink 'n dunk style of passing game in place today, rather than the down field style of days gone by.

First off, here's a link to the 2011 passing leaders: 2011 NFL Passing - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Now by comparison, here are some great seasons from a handful of legends IF they played in 2011

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YR                     C  ATT  COMP % YDS   TD  INT
'76 Jones, Bert       353-509  69.4%  5003  36   8
'76 Stabler, Ken      387-504  76.8%  5156  48  18  
'67 Namath, Joe       411-620  66.3%  5422  29  17
'81 Fouts, Dan        425-653  65.1%  5258  36  12
'84 Marino, Dan       410-599  68.4%  5424  50  13
'59 Unitas, Johnny    408-644  63.2%  5229  45  12
'72 Manning, Archie   420-702  59.8%  4620  27  18
'78 Manning, Archie   425-606  70.1%  4687  23  11
'67 Jurgensen, Sonny  457-684  66.8%  5242  36  11
'63 Tittle, Y.A.      392-558  70.3%  4575  42  11
'90 Moon, Warren      466-701  66.5%  5816  40  12
'73 Gabriel, Roman    499-736  67.8%  5655  37  10
'78 Tarkenton, Fran   503-737  68.2%  4800  35  22
Some tidbits - 2 NFL records would have been established. 1972 Archie Manning would've had 702 pass attempts, breaking Drew Bledsoe's actual total of 691 and projected total of 699 if his 1994 season took place in 2011.

In addition, 1976 The Snake, Kenny Stabler would've topped Brees' 71.2% with an amazing 76.8% completion percentage. Side note on that, 1989 Joe Montana (75.6%) and 1982 Ken Anderson (75.2%) would've also topped Drew Brees' mark he set in 2011.

The only other record that would've been touched was Tom Brady's 50 TD's in 2007. 1984 Dan Marino, playing in 2011 would've equaled that mark. Marino would've made a run at Brees' record 5,476 passing yards, coming in just behind with 5,424. Brees' 468 completions would still be the standard.

Interesting stuff I think. Just some fun, and a way to compare the greats of yesteryear to the greats of today.
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This is going to be an interesting thread bro...I like seeing these old school comparisons!! You should do this for each position played bro!!


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I think what prompted me to research it was when I read a quote from Bill Belichick before the '07 Super Bowl against the Giants. It was after Brady's record setting 50 TD season and they asked him who was the greatest pure passer he's ever seen and he said Bert Jones. Kind of threw everyone for a loop, but of course I remembered Jones' 3 great seasons '75-'77, including NFL MVP in 1976 before he hurt his throwing shoulder. I wondered how that great season would stack up in modern times. Turns out pretty damn good

You know K1, that's a great idea brother ! I don't think that RB's will translate into anything exciting, because the running game was big in the old days. I DO think though, that doing some work on the WR's and TE's of the era may produce some eye popping seasons when translated into the 100+ catch seasons of today's receivers.

Right off the bat I can think of some interesting guys; I'll have to work on my formulas
   
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I bet some of the kids today wouldn't think Peyton and Eli's dad was that good
   
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I'm going to add some QB's here and there, just for fun. I'm thinking 1990 Warren Moon (who may make a run at the yardage record), and 1978 Fran Tarkenton, who I think will shatter the pass attempts and completions record. '90 was a great season by Moon, '78 not so great for Tarkenton, but he did throw the ball a lot.
   
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Great thread


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Updated the passing thread with great seasons from Warren Moon (1990), Roman Gabriel (1973) and Fran Tarkenton (1978). Keep in mind Tarkenton's year wasn't a great year (he was the 12th rated passer in the NFL that year), but the Vikings threw the ball A TON !

Records that would've been broken by these 3; Attempts 737 and Completions 503 Tarkenton, Yardage, both Moon (5816) and Gabriel (5655).

If these numbers seem odd guys, keep in mind that Moon led his next nearest challenger by 700 yards and Gabriel by 669 yards in their respective seasons, while Brees last year was only 241 yards higher than Brady when setting the record. So Moon and Gabriel were putting up greater numbers BY FAR than their competition.

I'm sure there are some other titanic seasons out there, but these are the ones that have caught my eye.

Going to move on and work on some receiving numbers next. Makes sense to even them out as we did the QB's, since they're on the receiving end.
   
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11-11-2012, 08:55 AM

Big games this week:

Detroit @ Minnesota - winner can make a run at a wild card, loser probably out of steam.
Atlanta @ New Orleans - huge game for the Saints to get in a position to even make a run at a playoff spot.
Dallas @ Philadelphia - pretty much same scenario as DET @ MIN. Both have talent, we'll see who can get the edge and make a possible run.
Houston @ Chicago - possible Super Bowl preview? Houston is tough, we'll see how good the Bears really are. If they tank at home against the Texans, not a good sign.
   
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Some nice matchups for a Sunday afternoon. Detroit seems to be on the rise while the Vikings are struggling. Cowboys and Eagles is kind of a tossup but I think overall the Cowboys have the better team. I'm an Eagles fan but am being realistic in light of their poor play lately. The Saints could pull an upset but I think they will have to score a lot of points to do it. I agree Marshall it is time we saw just how good the Bears are, should be a good game. "Let the games begin".

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Didn't take Rex Ryan long to make the Jets the worst team in the NFL.

Big wins for Dallas, Minnesota and New Orleans. First tie game I can remember in a long time !
   
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Yes I think their overtime rules are bullshit! There is no reason for there to be ties in the NFL, they should just be going into a sudden dealth situation.


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Yay I'm a San Fran man and it did not sit well having to watch that!!


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Yes I think their overtime rules are bullshit! There is no reason for there to be ties in the NFL, they should just be going into a sudden dealth situation.
Agreed, you play until the game is won.
   
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Fucking Chiefs...Fucking Cassel


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I picked the Chiefs as my AFC dark horse to win double digits brother ! What a letdown.

I think the right tools are there in a lot of places as far as players, but for sure Cassell is going to have to be switched out and Quinn is probably even worse.

Personally, I think that Mallett (QB) w/New England would be a starter on a lot of teams. I'm not sure why Belichick drafted him to sit behind Brady forever. He's a free agent after this year, would be a nice pickup for KC imo.
   
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Yeah they need to figure something out before this season's over because they don't want to go into next season with the same old bullshit...Their season is more then finished this year so now is the time to figure out the changes that need to be made on all fronts!!


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I was a year ahead, for some reason I thought Mallett came out in the 2010 draft, but it was 11. He's still under contract through 2013. Chiefs will be drafting high, so they could take a chance on Tyler Wilson from Arkansas or Landry Jones from Oklahoma, maybe even Geno Smith from West Virginia.

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A few big games this week:

SD @ Denver - A Bronco win would pretty much seal of the AFC West
Indianapolis @ NE - Big game for the Colts. Doubt they'll win, but maybe a test of if they're a true playoff team
Baltimore @ Pittsburgh - Huge game for the AFC North
Chicago @ SF - No Cutler, but a Bears loss might end any hopes of home field in the playoffs and bring them back into a tie with the Packers
   
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Let's see how bad the Chiefs can do today


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