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Malaysian Plane Shot Down! - 07-17-2014, 01:31 PM

What do you think, Pro-Russian or Ukraine govt trying to set up Russia? I know that the Pro-Russians posted about bringing down a Ukraine military plane in the same area but we have seen from past events in life that it is easy enough for a govt to claim their plane did not go down and bring down a commercial airliner to make it look like the rebels brought that one down thinking it was a military plane. The US has been running things over there since the overthrow of the govt. And it's not like the US would be against sacrificing civilians for it's own purposes!
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Malaysian passenger plane reportedly shot down over Ukraine | The Verge

Russian newswire service Interfax is reporting that a Malaysian passenger plane carrying 295 people was shot down with a Buk ground-to-air missile over Ukraine near the Russian border, according to an advisor to Ukraine's Interior Minister. The advisor, Anton Gerashchenko, posted more accusations on Facebook, saying that the strike was carried out by Ukrainian rebels. He also posted a minute-long video of what supposedly is the smoking wreckage of the plane. A Reuters correspondent on the scene has confirmed the "burning wreckage of airplane, bodies on ground." A Ukrainian separatist leader, meanwhile, has blamed the crash on the Ukrainian military. President Petro Poroshenko has stated that the "armed forces of Ukraine did not take action against any airborne targets."

The Boeing 777 flight, Malaysia Airlines 17, was en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. In a statement, Malaysia Airlines has confirmed that it lost contact with the plane over Ukrainian airspace around 30 miles from the Russian border, but the cause is still officially unknown. The Malaysian prime minister is launching an "immediate investigation" of the reports, and we'll continue to update with major developments.

The news comes soon after Ukraine said that a Russian plane had shot down one of its fighter jets, which would mark a new level of open hostility between the countries. That report has not been confirmed, and the spokesperson for one separatist group told The New York Times that missiles were fired by Ukrainian rebels from the ground, rather than in the air with Russian support. Russia's defense minister reportedly said the accusation was "absurd."



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I wonder if the USA has a spy satellite monitoring that area? If they do it should be easy to find out what happened.
   
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They do they just said they would be reviewing satellite images in the coming days
   
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Would you trust the US's statement regarding what happened? It is very clear that our govt is the most corrupt in the world!


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I think whomever stands to make the most money by instigating a war shot down the plane
   
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i'm lost of words ... they have yet to find MH370 ... and now another Malaysia Airline Tragedy
   
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It sucks but at least they more or less know what happened to this one
   
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Our government already knows who did it prob watched it happen in real time....their just waiting to tell the public what they want us to know to best suit their needs....
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i'm lost of words ... they have yet to find MH370 ... and now another Malaysia Airline Tragedy
My thoughts exacatly buddy. Horrible situation.
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Busted! MH-17 Was in Fact the Lost Flight MH-370 | News Mogul

When it was first announced that flight MH-370 disappeared without a trace, there had been voices suggesting that the same plane will be later used in a false flag operation. Personally, I tried to ignore the speculations thinking that no secret agency could ever conduct such an insanely-obvious operation, expecting that the rest of the world is stupid enough to buy it. Boy, was I was wrong! It's not only that the official MH17 story is filled with gaps, but there are also bizarre accounts and 'coincidences' that are impossible to ignore:

1. The alleged MH17 was the same plane model as MH-370


The aircraft allegedly shot down over Shaktarsk is a Boeing 777-200, ID number M9-MRD. The missing MH370 was the same model, 777-200, but with a different ID number M9-MRO. Recent, near conclusive evidence reports that MH-370 (M9-MRO) was actually hijacked before it disappeared. This means that the hijackers could have safely landed the plane somewhere else. The US military base Diego Garcia is conveniently located within flying distance of the spot where MH-370 disappeared from the radar. One of the passengers on board MH-370, Phillip Wood, allegedly managed to send a photo from his iPhone, tracing back to the previously mentioned military base. If the US secret services got possession of the MH-370 jet, then it was a child's play for them to set it up for a false flag operation suiting their needs. After the story of a passenger jet having been shot down by pro-Russian separatists broke loose, Russia lost a lot of credibility and support due to the US propaganda machine.

2. The crashed plane had a different configuration of windows than MH17 Unfortunately for those who staged the false flag event, the MH17 plane had an extra window (bellow) next to the second right-side door, which MH370 did not -- and neither did the wreckage of the airplane!


Update [07.25.14]: Jim Stone brings more photographic evidence supporting the connection between the wreckage and flight MH-370:



According to independent journalist Jim Stone, "It is important to note that MH370 [bellow] was new, and therefore never repainted. This is the way the flag ALWAYS looked on Flight 370, and it forever pegs the shoot down plane as flight 370."



"Next is flight MH17. Notice the flag position, and ALSO, that MH17 has an extra window on this side of the aircraft, TOTALLY BUSTING THE OFFICIAL STORY." [1]



So, what does it all mean? The plane wreckage shown in the propaganda pictures doesn't have the window configuration of MH17, whilst it matches the one of MH370. The conclusion is obvious: the wreckage belongs to the 'lost' flight MH370.

3. Rebel leader describes the MH17 victims: rotten corpses, drained of blood "A top pro-Russia rebel commander in eastern Ukraine has given a bizarre version of events surrounding the Malaysian jetliner crash suggesting many of the victims may have died days before the plane took off. (...) [People at the crash site]: 'A significant number of the bodies weren't fresh,' adding that he was told they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition." [2] According to independent journalist Jim Stone: "It is being said that a Dutch doctor who was at the scene within a day has released testimony that the bodies on the plane were rotten and dead days before the crash, which would corroborate what the military commander said and that evidence is there that they were also tortured before the crash. However, the translation from Dutch is very poor and I am working on secondary confirmation." This means that the bodies found at the crash site in Ukraine are probably the passengers of MH370.

4. ALL the videos were created before MH17 was allegedly shot down "A look at the time stamps for the nine versions of the video that allegedly shows a conversation between Ukrainian anti-fascists and the Russian military and uploaded to what is said to be the Ukrainian Security Service (SSU) youtube account, indicating that all the videos were created before MH17 wrecked in the afternoon 2014-07-1." [3]



Remarkable unit with timestamps confirmed by the date stamp for when the videos were uploaded to a local server contained herein.

5. MH-17 propaganda picture doesn't match the facts According to the Daily Mail, Flight MH-17 was photographed by one of the passengers just before boarding, but the identification number doesn't macth! MH-17's ID number is 9M-MRD (Wikipedia):



The ID of the plane in the propaganda picture is 9M-MRC (Daily Mail):



6. Flight MH17 was cancelled, according to flight radar screen Flight Radar-24 screen capture on the day following the crash (7/18) shows MH-17, (9M-MRD) as canceled on the date of the crash (7/17): [4]


7. Invalid and pristine passports at the crash site All the passports appearing in the propaganda video are in mint condition. They want us to believe that ALL passports have escaped undamaged after an airplane filled with fuel was shot down by a SAM missile -- not to mention the 33,000 feet drop. And that's not all! Many of presented passports are clearly invalid: some have been hole-punched in the upper left-hand corner, while others have been clipped (triangular cut-out from right-hand center front cover) making it impossible that any of these decommissioned passports could be used to travel internationally at the flights port of Departure in Amsterdam. [5]


8. U.S. State Department Deputy admits: MH17 evidence is based on YT clips & social media posts In a testy exchange between AP reporter Matt Lee and U.S. State Department Deputy Spokesperson Marie Harf, Lee virtually corners Harf into admitting that the evidence presented by the U.S. to blame Russian-backed rebels for the shoot down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 [now exposed as MH370] amounts to nothing more than YouTube videos and social media posts. [6]


9. Award-winning reporter blows whistle: U.S. satellite images show Ukrainian troops shooting down the plane that was presented to us as MH17 Award winning former Associated Press reporter Robert Parry has been told by an intelligence source that the United States is in possession of satellite imagery which shows that Ukrainian troops were responsible for the shoot down of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 [now exposed as MH370]. What Ive been told by one source, who has provided accurate information on similar matters in the past, is that U.S. intelligence agencies do have detailed satellite images of the likely missile battery that launched the fateful missile, but the battery appears to have been under the control of Ukrainian government troops dressed in what look like Ukrainian uniforms." [7]


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In your estimate, how many people would have to be involved in a conpiricy of this magnitude?
   
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the first thought I had when I saw the footage on tv was, "wow, those passports look brand new"

so what happened to the people who boarded "mh17" the day it was shot down?

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In your estimate, how many people would have to be involved in a conpiricy of this magnitude?
Good luck getting a real answer. It would be in the thousands if thus were real. The families of both flights would have too be in on the conspiracy,. The rebels that claimed responsibility. The workers at both airports. CT's often forget our ignore the amount of people that would be necessary to pull of these grand conspiracies. It's also funny that CT's believe the government would go to such extremes to accomplish goals, but leave all the clues in the open. Some kid in his moms basement just debunked a billion dollar govt conspiracy with a couple of pics he pulled off the internet.
   
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Good luck getting a real answer. It would be in the thousands if thus were real. The families of both flights would have too be in on the conspiracy,. The rebels that claimed responsibility. The workers at both airports. CT's often forget our ignore the amount of people that would be necessary to pull of these grand conspiracies. It's also funny that CT's believe the government would go to such extremes to accomplish goals, but leave all the clues in the open. Some kid in his moms basement just debunked a billion dollar govt conspiracy with a couple of pics he pulled off the internet.
Incorrect. You would only need a small handful at best, if not only to position the right pilots in at the proper time, which our agencies could do very easily. The families would need to know nothing the same as the rest of us. As for leaving the clues in the open, the majority of the planet are nothing more then sheep lead by the media which are owned by outlets that have contracts with the government (whether it be defense contracts, nuclear fuels, etc, etc). Most get their info from MSN or Facebook in this day-and-age.

Do I believe in the above conspiracy that Odin posted, haven't read it so I have no opinion either way. Would I put it past our government to pull off something that easy as using a plane to start a massive outcry, absolutely not! This event did exactly what the US government wanted - to align the EU against Russia with tougher sanctions, moving the US ever closer to putting the EU in more need for US support with oil/gas and exiling Russia.

Do you truly not believe that the US was not involved in some way with 9/11? Considering the fact that they already had the exact same plan laid out in front of JFK to start a war with Cuba (easily researched and verified - I believe it was Cuba, may be mistaken there?). Look at how much control the government gained just by two buildings going down! How many of our rights were stripped away when that happened and the government was able to enact the Patriot Act without so much as an eyebrow raised by the masses. Aren't the Bush's in joint business operations with the Bin Ladens, wasn't Preston Bush VP of the company that was selling arms to the Germans before the war? Are you truly that blind to believe that something like this would be going to an "extreme" considering the resources a government has that people like you or myself will never even realize?

After skimming through what Odin posted above I do not think they would swap a plane as it would be easier to just ride on the shoddy evidence they have been passing to the media about their proof the rebels fired the rocket. Pictures that are barely visible and still using the excuse that their satellites were not overhead.

BUT, if you do not think that ANY government would be against killing regular people for their own gains then you are sorely mistaken. We are nothing to them! This entire planet is nothing more then a power struggle to the elite and we are nothing more then pawns to be moved around the board.

Why do you think the government has created this entitlement generation? Why do you think they have made it to where this generation can stay on their parents insurance until they are 27 years old? Why do you think giving out welfare and unemployment like they're raffle tickets at a fair? Control! They are breeding this generation and the next to be total sheep. To be totally reliant on the government with every aspect of their lives.

I laugh every time someone complains about those conspiracy theorists. The same CT's that were telling us about the NSA tracking our every movement since the late 70's. I guess those tin foil hats carry a little more weight now.
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Not saying there aren't conspiracy theories, but taking a plane to secret location, removing passenge and killing them. Placing deaf bodies on plane, move plane to busy airport, fly plane full of dead bodies over war zone. PROFIT??
   
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Considering the fact that they already had the exact same plan laid out in front of JFK to start a war with Cuba (easily researched and verified - I believe it was Cuba, may be mistaken there?).
operation northwoods....real 100% undeniable proof of US planned false flag terror attacks...

how people don't think our govt would do it again with a less moral president...or just do it without the president knowing...I have no idea
   
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