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Doing CG lantus/keto protocol
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Doing CG lantus/keto protocol - 03-25-2018, 03:53 PM

Looking to follow CG insulin run , Ive ran slin sevearl times and alway add to much bodyfat so this looks perfecet for me

Wont be starting this for a few weeks. Waiting on stuff to come in but wanted to get your guys input on things

Doing a mini cut now since my last slin run i gained to much fat . i should get to 195lbs and about 12-13 % bodyfat before starting this. My goal is to stay around 195 to 200lbs( hopefully more) and get to single digit bodyfat



From CGs thread ....Start by following a strict "high protein (KETO) diet for 1 week. Four normal keto meals adding up to 200 grams protein and 4 Hydrolyzed whey protein shakes between the meals adding up to 200 grams protein. Balance the fats by how many more aditional calories you need to reach maintenance calories.
Start the Lantus at 10iu and titrate up 5iu per day. Once you get to 25iu per day your body will start to look full and have veins. As you continue increasing your Lantus into the low forties your body will be extremely full in appearance and your weight loss "on the scale" is almost at a stop. 50iu not exceeding 65iu and you will start gaining "scale" weight AND at the same time your body is (STILL) losing fat on the KETO diet at an accelerated pace. There for losing fat and building muscle at the same exact time my friend. How can this happen without going hypo? In a state of ketosis your body will convert proteins to the carbs the Lantus needs. The Lantus is so stabile and the onset is so slow it gives your metabolism time to adjust to the needs.
The kicker is because your on no ingested carbs your insulin sensitivity remains at an all time peek the entire duration you do this. Do I have to point out how reactive your cells will be in this condition relative to nutrient delivery? That's the reason only 60iu of Lantus will start a forest fire of growth.

Absolutely anyone that's floating at 10 to 15% BF can stand on stage clean, dry and jacked full in 4 to 6 weeks from entering this protocol.

Things to monitor?
-How fast you titrate up the Lantus
-The quality of you Zero carb hydrolyzed whey
-There can be ZERO missed meals.
-Fluids must stay high
-Before training 20grams EAA's and 20grams glutamine.(this will offset the added need for carbs)

I recommend doing: For Extreme Growth
-3iu GH 3 x's a day
-Water based test 150mgs a day
-EQ 600mgs a week
-A-drol, 100 mgs a day
-Winny 50 mgs a day


My cycle will be
6iu somatotropin ed
100mg test suspension ed
300 test e weekly
600mg eq weekly
100mg adrol ed
50mg winny ed
250mg hgh frag ED


vitamins

Digestive enzymes
Fish oil
Vitamin D
Calcium
Coq10
Taurine
Tumeric
Glutathione
magnesium
HCA ((-)-hydroxycitric acid 1000Mg 3 times ed before meals
Clear liver support

creatine
EAA
Hydrolyzed whey isolate
glutamine



1st Meal Calories
Egg Whites - Large, 8 ounce 117 27 2 1 378 0
Eggs - Scrambled (whole egg), 2 large 203 14 3 15 342 0
True Nutrition - whey isolate, 2 scoop 228 55 2 0 89 0
Add Food Quick Tools 548 96 7 16 809 0
2nd
True Nutrition - whey isolate, 2 scoop 228 55 2 0 89 0
Peanut Butter, 2 tbsp 180 7 8 15 140 2
Add Food Quick Tools 408 62 10 15 229 2
3rd
Nutritiondata.com - Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast, 7 oz 322 63 0 7 126 0
Nuts, almonds, 1.6 oz(s) 263 10 10 23 0 6
Broccoli, raw, 1 cup chopped 31 3 6 0 30 2
Add Food Quick Tools 616 76 16 30 156 8
4th
True Nutrition - whey isolate, 2 scoop 228 55 2 0 89 0
- Peanut Butter, 2 tbsp 180 7 8 15 140 2
Add Food Quick Tools 408 62 10 15 229 2
5th
flank steak - Flank Steak, 10 oz 450 60 0 23 150 0
Nuts, almonds, 1.6 oz(s) 263 10 10 23 0 6
Broccoli, raw, 1 cup chopped 31 3 6 0 30 2
Add Food Quick Tools 744 73 16 46 180 8
6th And Extras
True Nutrition - whey isolate, 2 scoop 228 55 2 0 89 0
Add Food Quick Tools 228 55 2 0 89 0

calories protien carbs fat fiber
Totals 2,952 424 61 122 20


would it be good to add EAA, creatine and glutamine in every shake ?
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03-25-2018, 04:45 PM

The shakes are between meals so you should end up with 8 meals for the day
from how i understand it don't add your shake with breakfast.
4 whole meals
4 shakes
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The shakes are between meals so you should end up with 8 meals for the day
from how i understand it don't add your shake with breakfast.
4 whole meals
4 shakes
Yeah my fitness pal only allows 6 meals per day . Honestly im am trying to figure out how to "eat" 8 times . heres my meal timing

1st Meal Calories 4:00 AM
Egg Whites - Large, 8 ounce 117 27 2 1 378 0
Eggs - Scrambled (whole egg), 2 large 203 14 3 15 342 0
2ND True Nutrition - whey isolate, 2 scoop 228 55 2 0 89 0 can do this about 6:00 AM
Add Food Quick Tools 548 96 7 16 809 0
3rd 8:30 AM
True Nutrition - whey isolate, 2 scoop 228 55 2 0 89 0
Peanut Butter, 2 tbsp 180 7 8 15 140 2
Add Food Quick Tools 408 62 10 15 229 2
4rd 11:45 AM
Nutritiondata.com - Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast, 7 oz 322 63 0 7 126 0
Nuts, almonds, 1.6 oz(s) 263 10 10 23 0 6
Broccoli, raw, 1 cup chopped 31 3 6 0 30 2
Add Food Quick Tools 616 76 16 30 156 8


5th 3:00 PM pre Workout
True Nutrition - whey isolate, 2 scoop 228 55 2 0 89 0
- Peanut Butter, 2 tbsp 180 7 8 15 140 2
Add Food Quick Tools 408 62 10 15 229 2

workout 4:15-600 ish
6th 7:30 PM
flank steak - Flank Steak, 10 oz 450 60 0 23 150 0
Nuts, almonds, 1.6 oz(s) 263 10 10 23 0 6
Broccoli, raw, 1 cup chopped 31 3 6 0 30 2
Add Food Quick Tools 744 73 16 46 180 8
7th And Extras 9:00 PM bedtime
True Nutrition - whey isolate, 2 scoop 228 55 2 0 89 0
Add Food Quick Tools 228 55 2 0 89 0

calories protien carbs fat fiber
Totals 2,952 424 61 122 20


this hits my macros for the day so not sure how to get another meal in. possibly do a pre and post workout shake and the 3rd meal make whole food
   
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I have 9 meals

Whole Meals
4:30am
8:30am
12:30pm
7:30pm
9:30pm

Shakes Between
6:30am
10:30am
2:30pm
5:30pm Post shake
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ok think i got it this time LOL . My maintenance calories are 2800 . This is just above them .

1st meal 4:00 am
Egg Whites - Large, 8 ounce 117 27 2 1 378 0
Eggs - Scrambled (whole egg), 2 large 203 14 3 15 342 0


2nd meal 6:30
True Nutrition - whey isolate, 2 scoop 228 55 2 0 89 0

3rd meal 8:30
Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast, 6 oz 276 54 0 6 108 0
Broccoli, raw, 1 cup chopped 31 3 6 0 30 2

4th meal 10:30
Peanut Butter, 2 tbsp 180 7 8 15 140 2
True Nutrition - whey isolate, 2 scoop 228 55 2 0 89 0


5th meal 11:45

Nuts, almonds, 1.6 oz(s) 263 10 10 23 0 6
Broccoli, raw, 1 cup chopped 31 3 6 0 30 2
Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast, 5 oz 230 45 0 5 90 0


6th 3:00 preworkout
True Nutrition - whey isolate, 2 scoop 228 55 2 0 89 0
That's Smart! - Peanut Butter, 2 tbsp 180 7 8 15 140 2

WORKOUT 4:15-6:00 pm

7th 7:00 pm
Nuts, almonds, 1.6 oz(s) 263 10 10 23 0 6
Broccoli, raw, 1 cup chopped 31 3 6 0 30 2
flank steak - Flank Steak, 6 oz 270 36 0 14 90 0

8th 9:00 pm
True Nutrition - whey isolate, 2 scoop 228 55 2 0 89 0

Totals 2,987 439 67 117 1,734 22
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Should make for a very interesting log.
Thanks for taking the time to share!
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Should make for a very interesting log.
Thanks for taking the time to share!
Thanks I think this will definitely be a good run for me. The only concern I have is if I can the test suspension for 30 days lol. Stuff gets painful



I'm doing baseline glucose level testing. Right now my diet is
Meal 1 4:30 am: (2) whole eggs, (1) cup egg whites, scrambled in with broccoli,spinach, red onions, mushrooms, and cauliflower
(1) cup Quaker oats

Meal 2 7:30 am: 6 oz boneless, skinless chicken breast, medium sweet potato

Meal 3 11:30 am: Same as meal 2

Meal 4: 2:30 PM: Medium Apple and 2 tbs all natural peanut butter

4:30 PM: Train

Meal 5 6:30- 7 pm: 6 ounces lean beef with a big pile of broccoli, red, green and yellow peppers , red onions stir fired up


Fasted this morning glucose was 63. Had breakfast, hour later its 73. I'll test it several days in a row to see what it is average at. If it stays in the low 60s fasted in the morning I may drink a protein shake before I go to bed and then check it in the morning to see the difference after getting a good Baseline
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Awesome! Will be following...
   
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I would like to see more EAA's being drank before hitting the gym. protein is your carbs. I'm going to follow this every day. Please PM me with any questions or about how your feeling. If need be. Do you have pics to prove this is exactly what I'm saying it is? You may get call out?
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Thanks I may hit you up and pick your brain. I'll take before and after pics for sure. Not sure I'm following you about getting a call out LOL. It'll be a few weeks before I actually get started I'm waiting on things to drop. Then start the diet about a week before I do any insulin to get me into ketosis. I wanted to make sure I have everything in order so I posted up a little bit before I start it

So are you thinking possibly I should be drinking some EAA and glutamine right before I workout also?

I also bought the fortitude training book but may just wait to start and use something I'm used to so I don't have to figure out ft training right now. Hitting a body part 3 to 4 times a week does sound pretty good though

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Those are a couple great additions bro. Please add the drink and check out the FT training. Between Montego and me we can get you on track. What I meant by being call out is there may be some members that just don't believe what your telling them. Your going to go through major changes and having the pictures to support what you say could make a huge difference. Just sayin....... But in the end it's only your reality that matters. And the only dumb question is........PM me any time friend.
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Those are a couple great additions bro. Please add the drink and check out the FT training. Between Montego and me we can get you on track. What I meant by being call out is there may be some members that just don't believe what your telling them. Your going to go through major changes and having the pictures to support what you say could make a huge difference. Just sayin....... But in the end it's only your reality that matters. And the only dumb question is........PM me any time friend.
Exactly!

You are doing this for you.....so you will know how you like the protocol.

I don't think on this board you will get called out, but run this experiment like you might be and give it your all.

Use it as motivation....good luck. I'm definitely following my man!

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Those are a couple great additions bro. Please add the drink and check out the FT training. Between Montego and me we can get you on track. What I meant by being call out is there may be some members that just don't believe what your telling them. Your going to go through major changes and having the pictures to support what you say could make a huge difference. Just sayin....... But in the end it's only your reality that matters. And the only dumb question is........PM me any time friend.
Yeah there are always haters , I have a few on different boards LOL . I will take you up on the offer for FT training and helping figure it out . I like how its laid out . The thing im kind of lost of in the exercises and whats preferred .I need to read the book more but scrooling down threw i didnt see list of choices
   
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Waking fasted glucose level this morning was 61. Just tested it about hour and a half later and was 83.

Did some more reading in the fortitude training book getting a little better grasp of how he wants things done.
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Yeah there are always haters , I have a few on different boards LOL . I will take you up on the offer for FT training and helping figure it out . I like how its laid out . The thing im kind of lost of in the exercises and whats preferred .I need to read the book more but scrooling down threw i didnt see list of choices
Go to the end of his book and snap shot one of the "BASIC" work sheets. Then print out a few. The work sheet gives you the body part he wants you to do and how to train it that day. You have to fill in the actual exercise you want to do to hit that body part. Some work better and worse for others. When I did this I picked as many compound moves as possible. When you set up the second and third days you can switch exercises out for others you want to include. Remember to never do exercises that hurt you. He stresses that. Once you print the training sheet it will make much more senses to you. The way it's in the ebook sideways you can't understand it.
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Just got new ink for the printer so I can print it out. So like Tier 1 day 1 it says one set for thigh quads and hamstrings. I'm assuming you do a good warm-up for each or just a general warm-up and then pick the heaviest weight you can go for one set of each exercise. Or do you work your way up in weight til you're at the one set weight? Kind of feel like I pulled something if I just warmed up a little bit and then jump to my heaviest weight 4 or 6 to 12 reps


Also I can't figure out for the life of me what the heck he means by Zig Zag LOL

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Go to the end of his book and snap shot one of the "BASIC" work sheets. Then print out a few. The work sheet gives you the body part he wants you to do and how to train it that day. You have to fill in the actual exercise you want to do to hit that body part. Some work better and worse for others. When I did this I picked as many compound moves as possible. When you set up the second and third days you can switch exercises out for others you want to include. Remember to never do exercises that hurt you. He stresses that. Once you print the training sheet it will make much more senses to you. The way it's in the ebook sideways you can't understand it.
   
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I'm warming up with a mild working set and then if all joints feel good I'm all in on the next one. And I have no idea about the zig-zag either. lol Montego will have and answer on this I bet.
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Zig-zagging is moving back and forth between a compound exercise and an isolation exercise for a certain bodypart during loading sets (6-12 reps) on Days 1 & 2. See pages 87-90 of the ebook. He gives an example of a Tier III, Day 2 chest (4 work sets x 6-12 reps):

Smith machine incline (6-12 no failure)
rest 1:30
Flat DB Flye (6-12 w/safe failure)
rest 1:30
Smith machine incline (6-12 with failure)
rest 1:30
Flat DB Fly (6-12 w/safe failure)

Another example is for a Tier III, Day 1 legs (5 work sets x 6-12 reps):

Squat (6-12 reps no failure)
rest 2 min
Leg extension (6-12 failure)
rest 2 min
Squat (6-12 reps no failure)
rest 2 min
Hamstring curl (6-12 failure)
rest 2 min
Squat (6-12 with safe failure)

Those are his exact examples of zig-zagging straight from the book. He recommends only going to concentric failure on the LAST set of a compound exercise but you can go to concentric failure on all sets of isolation exercises. Hope that helps!
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Makes sense now. Thanks. I think the book is hard to read and follow in my opinion. It be nice if it was just simplified. Like do 3 sets of this do and that blah blah blah LOL


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Zig-zagging is moving back and forth between a compound exercise and an isolation exercise for a certain bodypart during loading sets (6-12 reps) on Days 1 & 2. See pages 87-90 of the ebook. He gives an example of a Tier III, Day 2 chest (4 work sets x 6-12 reps):

Smith machine incline (6-12 no failure)
rest 1:30
Flat DB Flye (6-12 w/safe failure)
rest 1:30
Smith machine incline (6-12 with failure)
rest 1:30
Flat DB Fly (6-12 w/safe failure)

Another example is for a Tier III, Day 1 legs (5 work sets x 6-12 reps):

Squat (6-12 reps no failure)
rest 2 min
Leg extension (6-12 failure)
rest 2 min
Squat (6-12 reps no failure)
rest 2 min
Hamstring curl (6-12 failure)
rest 2 min
Squat (6-12 with safe failure)

Those are his exact examples of zig-zagging straight from the book. He recommends only going to concentric failure on the LAST set of a compound exercise but you can go to concentric failure on all sets of isolation exercises. Hope that helps!
   
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Zig-zagging is moving back and forth between a compound exercise and an isolation exercise for a certain bodypart during loading sets (6-12 reps) on Days 1 & 2. See pages 87-90 of the ebook. He gives an example of a Tier III, Day 2 chest (4 work sets x 6-12 reps):

Smith machine incline (6-12 no failure)
rest 1:30
Flat DB Flye (6-12 w/safe failure)
rest 1:30
Smith machine incline (6-12 with failure)
rest 1:30
Flat DB Fly (6-12 w/safe failure)

Another example is for a Tier III, Day 1 legs (5 work sets x 6-12 reps):

Squat (6-12 reps no failure)
rest 2 min
Leg extension (6-12 failure)
rest 2 min
Squat (6-12 reps no failure)
rest 2 min
Hamstring curl (6-12 failure)
rest 2 min
Squat (6-12 with safe failure)

Those are his exact examples of zig-zagging straight from the book. He recommends only going to concentric failure on the LAST set of a compound exercise but you can go to concentric failure on all sets of isolation exercises. Hope that helps!
I've been doing it all along and had no idea. lol

Thanks for jumping in with the knowledge Samson.
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