People strongly believe that for most of the population(including very large individuals...240-260) that somewhere between 1,000-1,500mg/week of true dosed testosterone is where the compound reaches it's "ceiling", assuming you are NOT using GH. In other words, increasing from 1500 to 2000mg really would not net you much more gains....if any at all.
Personally, I also do believe that most people really will not see any benefit going past this 1-1.5g marker. Obviously upon the introduction of GH, we see people using up to 3,000+ testosterone weekly and being able to utilize the gear much more efficiently.
However, I am curious to what others have to say about where the "Ceiling cap" is on Test without GH.
The reason I bring this up, is that I know several very big people that say there is no such thing. Yes, the gains diminish quite a bit, but they run up to 2,000-2,500 test without GH and definetly get better gains. This is with no other gear added to the cycle.... except possibly an oral on and off(example: 2500 test / 100drol ED).
In fact, there are several reports of people claiming they even took the compound up to crazy levels (3,000-3,500/week) without GH, and although they were hit like a train......they got better *MUSCLE* gains than their past 3 cycles combined which had the same MG of drugs, but a combo of different ones(in other words...3,500 TEST alone was better than 1500 Test/600 Deca/600 EQ/50 DBOL ED). Fat loss, size, and strength was crazy at these very high doses , but they were very lethargic and didn't feel well...could only last about 6weeks; others really didn't experience much sides at all......since everybody differs. Only thing was the test by itself didn't give as much gym-strength as a combination of compounds[I'm assuming because orals and tren are so good at this, that no matter what the test dose, strength will always be lower].
I highly doubt all these people could be lying?! I mean shoot, even Dante of DC himself has recommended up to 2K test without GH.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS?
WILL YOU LITERALLY JUST ADD 0 POUNDS OF MUSCLE GOING FROM ~1000-1500mg to ~2000-2500mg a week?
(Note: I am certainly not advocating this, nor wanting to start a thread where suddenly somebody opens it up and wants to try it out.... this is honestly just to see people's opinions)
Personally, I also do believe that most people really will not see any benefit going past this 1-1.5g marker. Obviously upon the introduction of GH, we see people using up to 3,000+ testosterone weekly and being able to utilize the gear much more efficiently.
However, I am curious to what others have to say about where the "Ceiling cap" is on Test without GH.
The reason I bring this up, is that I know several very big people that say there is no such thing. Yes, the gains diminish quite a bit, but they run up to 2,000-2,500 test without GH and definetly get better gains. This is with no other gear added to the cycle.... except possibly an oral on and off(example: 2500 test / 100drol ED).
In fact, there are several reports of people claiming they even took the compound up to crazy levels (3,000-3,500/week) without GH, and although they were hit like a train......they got better *MUSCLE* gains than their past 3 cycles combined which had the same MG of drugs, but a combo of different ones(in other words...3,500 TEST alone was better than 1500 Test/600 Deca/600 EQ/50 DBOL ED). Fat loss, size, and strength was crazy at these very high doses , but they were very lethargic and didn't feel well...could only last about 6weeks; others really didn't experience much sides at all......since everybody differs. Only thing was the test by itself didn't give as much gym-strength as a combination of compounds[I'm assuming because orals and tren are so good at this, that no matter what the test dose, strength will always be lower].
I highly doubt all these people could be lying?! I mean shoot, even Dante of DC himself has recommended up to 2K test without GH.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS?
WILL YOU LITERALLY JUST ADD 0 POUNDS OF MUSCLE GOING FROM ~1000-1500mg to ~2000-2500mg a week?
(Note: I am certainly not advocating this, nor wanting to start a thread where suddenly somebody opens it up and wants to try it out.... this is honestly just to see people's opinions)
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