Ironbuilt! Ummm, I say, cardio, diet, but the woman, I know that have these veins, they are taking something to help them get the vascularity- genetics does play a part,,that I wouldn't have any issues with, I have a lot of muscle mass, and have some veins, that come out of no where...however, these ladies are taking something, but will not share.. One guy told me that one of the ladies I asked how did she get her arms to the level of where they are ( she is a female bodybuilder).. She denies what she really does, matter of fact I will post her and the comment she told me, she lied to me, another PM and told me what she really does.. You think I'm on this site just to chat...I'm here for another reason., a guy from my gym put me pn to this site. So let's not beat around the bush with this genetic bull cramp. Or I'm gonna get gangsta up in here!!!!!!! AtomAnt, share some of what I want.. LOL