I'd get my BP down if I were you. 110/70 is optimal, so why settle for that? Sure you're still fine now but if you can add an extra decade to your life by simply taking BP meds with minimal side effects, you wouldn't do it?
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What is acceptable range for blood pressure?
- Thread starter roadglide83
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I'd get my BP down if I were you. 110/70 is optimal, so why settle for that? Sure you're still fine now but if you can add an extra decade to your life by simply taking BP meds with minimal side effects, you wouldn't do it?
Those numbers are not ideal. Please keep up with the latest research before spreading misinformation as it enables people to carry on living at higher BP numbers when there are simple, life extending, solutions.
Just checked mine it 125 over 76. Running a little test and tren. Im one of the fortunate ones who can also run high doses and blood pressure is about the same as off.
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squatster
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New Hypertension Guidelines - Life Extension
Big pharma is corrupt but this is NOT an example of such
i went to a "ER" clinic...keep in mind "ER" clinic...not a "ER" hospital... when i got sick and couldnt wait a week to see my normal doctor... everytime those ER clinics would take my BP they said it was high... but my normal doc said it was normal(during my normal visitations).... so finally 3 weeks ago went to CARE NOW.. which is a ER clinic the nurse said my bp was high(i had bronchitis).. i asked "how come i come here and my bp is always high?, but my normal doc says its normal"? she said when your sick your bp goes up due to your body being sick and being stressed out... made sense
also from the doc told me.. they have changed guide lines of whats normal or high BP(compared to the past)... its more strict now due to "knowledge" or getting more "money"(is how i see it, more RX given out etc.). so what was normal BP 10 years ago...is now considered borderline high....makes you think.
FYI taking certain compounds does increase BP many B.B. counteract by either supplement with tadalfil or viagra lol no joke or blood pressure meds on cycle. Just always seek healthy practical measures awareness is hallmark of survival and good health
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Thanx for the advice, Doctor. I’ll call my GP right away and let him know that some random dude on the internet says he’s wrong and doesn’t know what he’s doing. I’m sure he’ll appreciate the information, as of course there isn’t any way for a practicing MD to stay up to date with the most current medical research and recommendations.
Get up on the wrong side of the bed Sully? Nothuman is a good guy and before you call him some know nothing "random dude" you might want to ask him about the emergency open heart surgery he had to have a few years ago!
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I agree with the top post as we should all keep our bp as low as possible. It's called the silent killer for a reason. But I don't agree that 138/68 means someone should automatically be put on strong bp medication. The pulse pressure is high but that is not that bad. Many people look at drugs too soon and they pop pills for absolutely everything.
If 138/68 is before using aas it's not good as on cycle it could be much higher so he would be smart to use something his doctor recommends. If he is 138/68 on cycle then he could probably lower it with cardio and diet. I don't disagree certain drugs can be very beneficial but many use them before they are needed. Some will argue it's best to make sure bp doesn't rise and to keep it low and I don't disagree. Just do whatever makes you feel safer as nothuman posted.
I would agree when it comes to the vast majority of pharma drugs out there (statins for instance), but there is an ARB called Telmisartan and a beta blocker called Nebivolol that are incredibly safe and actually heart healthy, which is something you don't offer hear with a prescription drug. So being that the downside of taking those specific drugs is minimal while helping a great deal, I take them myself.
Telmisartan
Best Drug To Treat Hypertension | Life Extension
And here is a good write up on Nebivolol:
"I am one of those individuals that will start retaining water on just 2ius per day. I came across this article in another group and decided to give it a try at 2.5mg twice per day. I am now up to 4 ius per day with no water retention. I just wanted to share this i case it may help someone else since I have learned so much from this board over the years.
Nebivolol – the ultimate antihypertensive drug that all users should consider
As we know, anabolic hormones alter the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system causing potential changes in salt balance, water retention, blood volume, then subsequently hypertension, LVH and kidney damage.
Coupled with changes in LDL and HDL ratio, not really a pleasant environment for your heart, arteries, circulation.
1. Standard beta blockers causes major alterations in insulin sensitivity and lipid mobilisation. Resulting in type 2 diabetes, and therefore fatloss becoming impossible
2. Angiotensin II receptor antagonist and ACE inhibitors lower plasma noradrenaline levels. Not exactly a good thing when you need this to increase for optimal CNS engagement (strength), fat loss, and energy.
I’ve looked in to all these other classes of drugs used to treat hypertension (except diuretics), and they all have side effects that are not exactly ideal. Generally, they don’t target the core issue, in relation to hormone use, this being alterations in the system I mentioned above. Instead they increase Renin and Aldosterone as a compensatory mechanism.
Here comes Nebivolol. A cardioselective beta 1 antagonist. It is also a beta 3 agonist. Amazing. It has profound nitric oxide properties as well. It doesn’t alter exercise tolerance, it actually aids in fat loss, it doesn’t alter plasma noradrenaline levels (it just blocks noradrenaline from acting on the beta 1 receptors in the heart and kidneys); Lowers renin and aldosterone; It reverses LVH; increases glucose and lipid metabolism; increases Testosterone by 80-90%; and many more… literally void of any side effects.
“In the nebivolol group, a significant decrease in blood pressures (P < 0.001) and heart rate (P < 0.01) was seen. Nebivolol therapy also suppressed plasma renin and aldosterone concentration (P < 0.02) but increased plasma atrial natriuretic peptide levels (P < 0.03)”
http://www.sciencedirect.com/sci…/ar...6752739290238X
Angiotensin II receptor antagonist increase Renin and Aldosterone, whilst Nebivolol decreases.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/…/artic...3317111500618X
“Nebivolol is endowed with peripheral vasodilating properties mediated by the modulation of the endogenous production of nitric oxide. It does not significantly decrease airway conductance compared with atenolol and propranolol. Nebivolol does not compromise the left ventricular function, but it may increase stroke volume, and does not reduce heart inotropism during exertion”
http://www.sciencedirect.com/…/artic...43661898903875
“Nebivolol, through β3AR, is able to induce lipolysis and promote thermogenic and mitochondrial genes. The induction of lipolysis and the thermogenic program could explain the reduction of lipid droplets size”
http://journals.lww.com/…/Nebivolol_...ia__3_adrener…
“nebivolol does not alter exercise capacity significantly in healthy volunteers.”
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00051145
“Our findings in these short-term trials confirm previous reports regarding the neutral effects of nebivolol on lipid profile and carbohydrate metabolism.21,22 Recent data suggest that compared with metoprolol, nebivolol at a comparable dose improved oxidative stress and insulin sensitivity, decreased plasma soluble P-selectin, and increased adiponectin levels in hypertensive patients.”
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/…/j.1...009.0011…/full
“Free fatty acid, free glycerol, plasma catecholamines, beta-endorphines and atrial natriuretic peptide (ANP) increased before and after treatment during maximal and submaximal exercise but remained unaltered by nebivolol treatment”
“nebivolol did not negatively affect lipid and carbohydrate metabolism and substrate flow.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11607802
“Bisoprolol and nebivolol significantly increased concentration of testosterone (by 82 and 85%, respectively) and prolactin (by 77 and 83%, respectively), lowered levels of estradiol and follicle-stimulating hormone, improved vascular blood flow in penile arteries, and did not worsen sexual function.”
[Level of hormones of pituitary-gonadal axis, penile blood flow and sexual function in men with... - Abstract - Europe PMC
“Nebivolol Reverses Endothelial Dysfunction in Essential Hypertension”
Nebivolol Reverses Endothelial Dysfunction in Essential Hypertension | Circulation
“Effects of nebivolol on proliferation and apoptosis of human coronary artery smooth muscle and endothelial cells”
https://academic.oup.com/cardiovascr...…/2/430/400450
“Nebivolol: A Novel Beta-Blocker with Nitric Oxide-Induced Vasodilatation”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1993984/
“Results of the present study demonstrate an inhibitory effect of nebivolol on several components of the atherosclerotic plaque which contribute to its progression. As compared to the control mice, the nebivolol-treated animals showed, along with significantly lower plaque size, a decrease in necrotic core size, collagen content, macrophage and T cell density, and activity of matrix metalloproteinases. In contrast, the drug increased the content of smooth muscle cells in the fibrous cap of the plaque.”
http://jpp.krakow.pl/…/archi…/12_13/...8_article.html
“In hypertensive patients with LVH, nebiviolol, combined with thiazide diuretics, significantly decreased LVMI. Moreover, Nebivolol was able to modify LV geometry from concentric to eccentric. Such effects were significantly higher in patients treated with nebivolol 5 mg/daily than in patients treated with ramipril 2.5 mg/daily. The clinical implication of these results is that the\ treatment with nebivolol/thiazides in hypertensive patients reduces the cardiovascular risk associated with LVH”
“Both nebivolol and ramipril reduced left ventricular mass and left ventricular mass index, but the effect of nebivolol was significantly higher than ramipril. Nebivolol was also able to induce a statistically significant change in the left ventricular geometry evaluated by the relative wall thickness, a marker of cardiovascular risk. “
“Nebivolol reduces arterial stiffness and central blood pressure which have a
pathogenetic role in promoting left ventricular hypertrophy”
http://www.europeanreview.org/wp/wp-...loads/1269.pdf
“Available data suggest that nebivolol has a protective effect on left ventricular function. The drug appears to reduce preload and maintain or decrease afterload. Total peripheral vascular resistance did not increase in any study of nebivolol. Heart rate and left ventricular end-diastolic pressure are decreased, whereas stroke volume is increased and cardiac output is generally maintained, notably in patients with heart failure. Nebivolol reduced left ventricular mass in hypertensive patients with left ventricular hypertrophy.”
https://link.springer.com/…/10.2165/...199957040-0001"
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My bp ranges but I am happy with 130/70. I have taken bp drugs in the past and the drop in bp made me feel dizzy. Some naturally have lower readings than others and have to be careful with what they add in. My brother has very low bp even though he is overweight.
Telmisartan gave me side effects and I had to drop it. I have never tried nebivolol. I use bp drugs like I do ai's or serm's meaning when they are needed. Aggro summed up why I posted I think those numbers aren't bad. If they are off stuff then bp medication could be needed especially on gear. If everyone at that range were to take medication I think the majority of the US could need it at some point. My favourite supplement for bp is carditone but that can come with it's side effects for some people.
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Ok, maybe I was a little out of line. Just to be clear, I didn’t call him a “know nothing”, just a random dude. Because that’s what he is to me, just some random guy. I don’t know him from anyone, never spoken to him privately, and have seen very few posts of his, if any, that stuck out in my mind, and I definitely don’t know anything about his personal medical tribulations. I sincerely don’t mean that to be disrespectful, just honest. We’re all just random guys on the internet until we spend some time talking with each other in private and learn more about each other and develop a friendship.
In hindsight, I was dealing with some things at work that had me stressed out and little chippy. Nothuman was simply trying to offer some admittedly sound advice about general health, well-being, and longevity, which is one of the things that many of the members here, myself included, are more concerned about than on other boards. I definitely took it the wrong way, and I want to offer a sincere apology to Nothuman. You were just trying to help, which I truly do appreciate, and my response was uncalled for.
Also, nothuman’s post about BP meds was incredibly informative, and has motivated me to contact my GP for an appointment to discuss getting on BP medication.
I respect the heck out of you for posting this, as well as your PM! I apologize if my tone didn't seem friendly as it's difficult to interpret a wall of text. You and I are beyond good man!
Sully
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Not at all brother. The mistake was all mine. We’re glad to have you coming over here from ProMuscle. It’s guys with knowledge like yours that make this place a unique and valuable resource for the community, and we’re all better off by having you here.
If there’s anything I can do to help you out in the future, please don’t hesitate to ask.