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Big-John · Jul 13, 2014

Good luck man and keep us posted.

humpthebobcat · Jul 13, 2014

ya keep us posted, I juiced like crazy from age 17 to 21...then took all sorts of drugs from 21 to 24 to try and recover....finally went cold turkey and haven't touched anything in about three years(except for some eli black tops, hehe)...the last three years have been the best, I'm horny, wake up with a strong wood, get a nice rubbery one when I'm getting a chicks number or flirting...can go about twice on my own when bangin...if I want porn star status I can take half a dose of cialis or run some melanotan 2....melanotan makes you freakishly horny so there is definitely something to the vitamin D/sunlight/having a tan...

The last drug protocol I did was a shot of triptorelin...whether or not to take a serm afterwards is controversial but I took nolvadex, 40mg per day for two weeks and then 20mg/day for two weeks...I think I did this to keep my body from a "negative feedback loop" or someshit from the trip driving your lh and fsh up real high...I have to admit I don't really understand the science...anyways....did the shot, 1 month of nolva, one month nothing, got bloods two months after the shot and test was like 750 or 780 and lh and fsh were both pegging the scale...I need to get them done again tho, maybe Monday or Tuesday!

humpthebobcat · Jul 13, 2014

oops, sorry for the giant photo, I suck at technology...FSH was only 8.7, not pegging the scale on that one but LH sure was

Sully · Jul 14, 2014

Spiderman said:
Something tells me turning into johnny aplpeseed isn't medically relevant here ..

You meant to say Paul Bunyan. Johnny Appleseed was a real man that actually planted several thousand apple orchards from New York to Missouri and everywhere in between. Paul Bunyan was the mythical lumberjack that was accompanied by Babe the blue ox.

And I have to ask, are you just wanting to be told what you're wanting to hear? That's definitely the vibe I get here.

Enigmatic707 · Jul 14, 2014

I'm kinda frustrated-

You say your test, estro and prolactin are fine- so what are you hoping to accomplish. And 350 for test it totally fine and that's not sub par in any way.

This is not a hormone issue so you need to stop addressing as such.

Spiderman · Jul 16, 2014

Reading through the Power PCT and further along through some other clinical studies it says clomid use helped to restore some guys using 100 mg a day... you think this will be enough or should I also use the HCG ?

Also saying that climid can raise estro in men due to to FSH and LH creating more test, so should I use small amounts of arimidex during ?

Thanks again for the help

Sully · Jul 17, 2014

Well, since you're obviously gonna throw a bunch of pills at the "problem" and hope it goes away, just take anything that might help. Triptorelin, HCG, HMG, nolvadex, Clomid, exemestane, and some cabergoline just for good measure.

zoot499 · Jul 21, 2014

I'm sorry but I just had to comment.

Cutting wood won't make you any more manly than wearing the color pink will make you gay. Eating more manly may though. If you eat like a bird or a woman then that can mess with your test.

Things I'd look at would be fat intake, vitamin levels, and things of that sort. If you have been dieting harshly it could crash your levels.

Also, clomid will raise estrogen due to the fact that you are raising testosterone. More test = more aromatization = more estrogen. If I've understood everything correctly, it should not raise estrogen directly which will mean that as long as your test is within normal you shouldn't receive estrogen sides.

humpthebobcat · Jul 21, 2014

the body operates within strict limits and is constantly testing the blood...messing around with clomid and hcg and ai's is DOING MORE HARM THAN GOOD...period...it's a closed system, you can't jack with it....if you could we would all be walking around with our nuts in shopping carts from getting our test so high

the only thing you can do to raise your testosterone is create an environment where your body is forced to produce more to keep up with a DEMAND for more...this CANNOT be accomplished by drug use

Enigmatic707 · Jul 21, 2014

humpthebobcat said:
the body operates within strict limits and is constantly testing the blood...messing around with clomid and hcg and ai's is DOING MORE HARM THAN GOOD...period...it's a closed system, you can't jack with it....if you could we would all be walking around with our nuts in shopping carts from getting our test so high

the only thing you can do to raise your testosterone is create an environment where your body is forced to produce more to keep up with a DEMAND for more...this CANNOT be accomplished by drug use

I am beyond confused by this post-

Are you saying there are no drugs that when administered- increase the production of testosterone? It would seem as though that's what you're saying-?

humpthebobcat · Jul 21, 2014

Enigmatic707 said:
I am beyond confused by this post-

Are you saying there are no drugs that when administered- increase the production of testosterone? It would seem as though that's what you're saying-?

permanently, for someone with normal levels of testosterone, no...otherwise everyone would have super high natural test and there would be no need for aas

temporarily coupled with time off from from aas, as in pct, sure...but I believe it's mostly the time off ...this guy is way beyond pct...IMhumbleO

Enigmatic707 · Jul 21, 2014

humpthebobcat said:
permanently, for someone with normal levels of testosterone, no...otherwise everyone would have super high natural test and there would be no need for aas

temporarily coupled with time off from from aas, as in pct, sure...but I believe it's mostly the time off ...this guy is way beyond pct...IMO

Even if there were drugs that would get you to "supra physiological levels" there would still be plenty need for AAS's - your body doesn't make Tren, drol, var.. Etc.

I'm not sure if I want to drag you into the deep end of the pool when it comes to a discussion about HTPA and the feedback mechanism of estradiol or lack there of and it's role on test production in relation specifically to the hypothalamus.

The amount of test that one can produce when using ancillary drugs like hcg or an AI has more to do with the affinity of leydig cells within the testicles and there overall state of productivity/efficiency. One also has to look at cholesterol levels and see if the body is primed to naturally make over 1500 ng/dl of test which I have seen plenty of labs that have showed this from guys who are months into pct.

humpthebobcat · Jul 21, 2014

drag me baby, drag me, I would love to learn how I can take a drug, increase my testosterone production/levels, and then have permanently high natural levels afterwards, which is what this guy is asking for as well

and what happens when they stop taking the AI and hcg? the 1500 levels may be reached by a drug concoction but will it last after everything is stopped? do they go on living with 1500 after everything is ceased? I would think only if they tested that high before taking any aas would it remain that high

I know not taking any drugs at all is a hard concept for some to grasp...

humpthebobcat · Jul 21, 2014

Enigmatic707 said:
Even if there were drugs that would get you to "supra physiological levels" there would still be plenty need for AAS's - your body doesn't make Tren, drol, var.. Etc.

so are there or aren't there, it sounds like your saying there aren't...now you're the one confusing me haha

if there aren't...then I feel like I'm correct in all my assumptions...if there are, I would love to hear about it

and why would people need tren and drol and var...to impress the ladies or win bodybuilding shows, sure...for the majority of people who just want a better quality of life...I don't believe so good sir

Enigmatic707 · Jul 21, 2014

humpthebobcat said:
so are there or aren't there, it sounds like your saying there aren't...now you're the one confusing me haha

if there aren't...then I feel like I'm correct in all my assumptions...if there are, I would love to hear about it

You never said anything about remaining high after one stops the drug, either way the highest I've seen achieved in any medical literature was 3400 ng/dl from 125iu if hcg per day

Obviously this is ed administration of hcg and will not remain that high after cessation-

And when I say "supra pshyiological" that means beyond what's achievable from the bodies own natural production ie- 3500+

humpthebobcat · Jul 21, 2014

Enigmatic707 said:
You never said anything about remaining high after one stops the drug, either way the highest I've seen achieved in any medical literature was 3400 ng/dl from 125iu if hcg per day

Obviously this is ed administration of hcg and will not remain that high after cessation-

And when I say "supra pshyiological" that means beyond what's achievable from the bodies own natural production ie- 3500+

lol well what's the point then...I pretty sure this guy is looking for a permanent raise in test production...I've said there is no way to do this multiple times throughout the thread ...except cutting down trees with an axe for a living, which I guarantee will maximize test levels (it's a joke but people are missing the point) but everyone has screamed bullshit, freakin haters, haha

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humpthebobcat · Jul 21, 2014

Also, I would like to add that all cells in the body regenerate at different speeds, they know how to copy themselves and make new cells because of DNA...within 7 (7 or 11, can't remember) years you will have a completely new body!!! all new cells...

if you can wait long enough living a "manly" lifestyle, the cells in your body will regenerate back to the test levels you are supposed to have given your specific DNA....this is, of course, if you LEAVE YOUR BODY ALONE STOP TAKING FREAKIN CLOMID AND SHIT

this is how I have come to understand human biology...if anyone can explain it differently go right ahead, it's only my personal viewpoint...of course I think it's right cause it's mine

zoot499 · Jul 21, 2014

Not all drugs cause suppression in your bodies own natural production. This is something you seem to overlook in your posts.

Taking something like clomid will in no way shape or form suppress your natural production. Meaning that when you come off it, your natural production will not be worse off than it was before. Same with HCG.

These actually CAN boost your natural production even after you stop taking them. How do you think you end up producing more "naturally" on drugs like clomid and hcg? Your body creates more hormone producing cells. Simple.

Yes, without the stimulation of clomid and/or hcg your body will slowly get rid of all these extra production cells, HOWEVER, that doesn't mean it will return the same exact number that you had before you took the drugs. There are many cases in which you will end up with higher production than before the drugs. Yes. Permanently. Now it may not be a jump from 350->800 but it can end up higher than before.

One way to look at it is by looking at a car battery. Your car won't start because your battery is dead, but that doesn't always mean your battery needs to be replaced. Maybe you left the lights on overnight and didn't notice. You get a jump start and charge your battery and no longer need anyone to jump start your car. Same thing here. On AAS so long his body is suppressed and needs a jump start. Give it the jump start and it *may* all end up fine. Or it really could be that the battery is a piece of shit and needs to be replaced cuz it won't hold a charge anymore.

humpthebobcat · Jul 21, 2014

zoot499 said:
Not all drugs cause suppression in your bodies own natural production. This is something you seem to overlook in your posts.

Taking something like clomid will in no way shape or form suppress your natural production. Meaning that when you come off it, your natural production will not be worse off than it was before. Same with HCG.

These actually CAN boost your natural production even after you stop taking them. How do you think you end up producing more "naturally" on drugs like clomid and hcg? Your body creates more hormone producing cells. Simple.

Yes, without the stimulation of clomid and/or hcg your body will slowly get rid of all these extra production cells, HOWEVER, that doesn't mean it will return the same exact number that you had before you took the drugs. There are many cases in which you will end up with higher production than before the drugs. Yes. Permanently. Now it may not be a jump from 350->800 but it can end up higher than before.

One way to look at it is by looking at a car battery. Your car won't start because your battery is dead, but that doesn't always mean your battery needs to be replaced. Maybe you left the lights on overnight and didn't notice. You get a jump start and charge your battery and no longer need anyone to jump start your car. Same thing here. On AAS so long his body is suppressed and needs a jump start. Give it the jump start and it *may* all end up fine. Or it really could be that the battery is a piece of shit and needs to be replaced cuz it won't hold a charge anymore.

You use words like "can" and "boost"... it's the same argument... it's temporary, only a temporary boost..:for someone pct'ing yes it will "raise" test levels... someone whose been off for 3 years it will do nothing ... he did one cycle, not "on aas for so long" freakin read the whole thread before you post this stuff

"how do you produce more naturally when on drugs like clomid" ...that sentence doesn't make any freaking sense, ITS NOT NATURAL

please show where it's proven clomid and hcg grows new cells and doesn't just make existing cells produce more PLEASE

AGAIN, if hcg and clomid really did anything, made some statistically significant appreciable difference, all men would be on it and all men would have sky high test...it doesn't and they don't!!!!!!

Enigmatic707 · Jul 21, 2014

humpthebobcat said:
You use words like "can" and "boost"... it's the same argument... it's temporary, only a temporary boost..:for someone pct'ing yes it will "raise" test levels... someone whose been off for 3 years it will do nothing ... he did one cycle, not "on aas for so long" freakin read the whole thread before you post this stuff

"how do you produce more naturally when on drugs like clomid" ...that sentence doesn't make any freaking sense, ITS NOT NATURAL

please show where it's proven clomid and hcg grows new cells and doesn't just make existing cells produce more PLEASE

AGAIN, if hcg and clomid really did anything, made some statistically significant appreciable difference, all men would be on it and all men would have sky high test...it doesn't and they don't!!!!!!

Dude- you're just sounding crazy now- just do a pub med search.. Hcg will raise test levels in men who are NOT hypogonadal.

Yes I wi say it again, a man producing a decent amount of test on his own will in most cases show a significant increase in test production.

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