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Lantus/Keto Protocol
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Elvia1023
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Great thread... CG's threads always are. I pm'ed CG just because he asked in the open if anyone had ever seen anything about high dosed lantus and keto diets to pm him. Before I tried lantus for the first time a few months back I researched it fairly extensively so came across some stuff relating to the subject. What CG is doing is definitely new though but in the same area of what I had seen a guy post about. He used 50iu lantus on Palumbo's keto diet but solely for fat loss.
I have spoken about various forms of slin as I have experimented with them from time to time. Humalog the most as it's my fav in many ways. When I experimented with humalog I really wanted to understand it so would not eat and record times of hypo onset and play about with carbs, aminos and food timing etc just so I recognized all the signs and knew what to do and obviously what to not do!
I actually have my own lantus experiment about to start but it's nothing groundbreaking like this. I will be high (nothing crazy) dosing it 2 days (legs and back) per week but consuming plenty of carbs. My approach has been done many times before but I figured 2 days was a nice number for me. I will be able to remain slin sensitive keeping it to 2 days per week and obviously using various aids (metformin, gda's, lr3, melanotan 2 etc) to help in that regard.
Good posts CG, G160 and BBoy
I read about lantus and the only issue i see with the 2 days is lantus or toujeo (insulin glargine) require 5 days of consecutive use for dose stabilisation. Im guessing if you dose high it still might not be very active in a countinous way (24hr life)
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I cant stop but wonder why water based test?
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I posted this over at pro muscle but this will work. We have been doing this over st the old datbtrue site years ago but a little different. This is what we would usually do. It worked best if you could train mid morning.
Meal1: carbs/protein
Workout
Post workout=2iu humulin R and 50g whey isolate
Meal3: protein/fishoil/mct oil
M4: protein/fish oil/
M5: egg whites+25g whey iso+ 2iu humulin R
M6: 4oz meat/1 scoop casein/fishoil
Fibrous veggies scattered in there. We would eat just enough carbs to keep training intensity high, but didn’t want to eat enough to have much liver glycogen left over after a lift
Worked extremely well with ghrps/rhgh added
Meal1: carbs/protein
Workout
Post workout=2iu humulin R and 50g whey isolate
Meal3: protein/fishoil/mct oil
M4: protein/fish oil/
M5: egg whites+25g whey iso+ 2iu humulin R
M6: 4oz meat/1 scoop casein/fishoil
Fibrous veggies scattered in there. We would eat just enough carbs to keep training intensity high, but didn’t want to eat enough to have much liver glycogen left over after a lift
Worked extremely well with ghrps/rhgh added
Elvia, I hope you plan to log your Lantus experience here in this section. This section has turned out be the "Go Too" for Lantus on the entire internet.
Nothing I'm doing is random.
Testosterone Suspension:
160mlg of testosterone suspension will create a great deal of estrogen since it originates as a non-esterfied AAS. Estrogen up-regulates the muscle cells glucose transporters called GLUT-4 and increases androgen receptor sensitivity. This also means that the administered testosterone is free or unbound from its inactivating protein SHBG. A great deal of the hormone entering the circulatory system is quickly bound, though not before a serious degree of anabolism should take place. But there is a portion left bound and in reserve.
(Insulin) inhibited SHBG should be freed up resulting in a synergistic anabolic response. By freeing the remaining testosterone from SHBG an increase in androgenic activity should take place. Since SHBG is also estrogen binding the protein excretion of estrogens should be dramatically accelerated. This results in rapid estrogen clearing and an increase in GH. Most of you guys now GH and insulin must both be present in the liver to produce IGF-1.
BTW: The gear and amounts I recommend is what I believe is necessary for extreme growth in this chemical environment. Feel free to add or subtract as you see fit. As far as the "water based"? I think it's a necessity for optimum results.>>>
"I see said the blind man"
I guess it makes sense in theory, im just learning, so in this scenario youre not considering the use of anti estrogens during the cutting phase?Nothing I'm doing is random.
Testosterone Suspension:
160mlg of testosterone suspension will create a great deal of estrogen since it originates as a non-esterfied AAS. Estrogen up-regulates the muscle cells glucose transporters called GLUT-4 and increases androgen receptor sensitivity. This also means that the administered testosterone is free or unbound from its inactivating protein SHBG. A great deal of the hormone entering the circulatory system is quickly bound, though not before a serious degree of anabolism should take place. But there is a portion left bound and in reserve.
(Insulin) inhibited SHBG should be freed up resulting in a synergistic anabolic response. By freeing the remaining testosterone from SHBG an increase in androgenic activity should take place. Since SHBG is also estrogen binding the protein excretion of estrogens should be dramatically accelerated. This results in rapid estrogen clearing and an increase in GH. Most of you guys now GH and insulin must both be present in the liver to produce IGF-1.
BTW: The gear and amounts I recommend is what I believe is necessary for extreme growth in this chemical environment. Feel free to add or subtract as you see fit. As far as the "water based"? I think it's a necessity for optimum results.>>>
"I see said the blind man"
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Nothing I'm doing is random.
Testosterone Suspension:
160mlg of testosterone suspension will create a great deal of estrogen since it originates as a non-esterfied AAS. Estrogen up-regulates the muscle cells glucose transporters called GLUT-4 and increases androgen receptor sensitivity. This also means that the administered testosterone is free or unbound from its inactivating protein SHBG. A great deal of the hormone entering the circulatory system is quickly bound, though not before a serious degree of anabolism should take place. But there is a portion left bound and in reserve.
(Insulin) inhibited SHBG should be freed up resulting in a synergistic anabolic response. By freeing the remaining testosterone from SHBG an increase in androgenic activity should take place. Since SHBG is also estrogen binding the protein excretion of estrogens should be dramatically accelerated. This results in rapid estrogen clearing and an increase in GH. Most of you guys now GH and insulin must both be present in the liver to produce IGF-1.
BTW: The gear and amounts I recommend is what I believe is necessary for extreme growth in this chemical environment. Feel free to add or subtract as you see fit. As far as the "water based"? I think it's a necessity for optimum results.>>>
"I see said the blind man"
I wonder if a low dose of something like Winstrol, which lowers SHBG, would also be beneficial at the same time.
Good Winstrol @ 25mg mast p 75mg proviron 50 ed along with test suspension and tren has to be amazing.. im sure the reason hes not using these is to counter flatness tendency winny and tren have
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Sully
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Sully
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Flatness from Tren? How is that even a thing? I’ve run more than my fair share of Tren over the years (not much Winstrol, though) and never once dealt with flatness, even in a severe caloric deficit.
I have had some flatness with tren along with my older friends, could be cause were old...i have had tendencies to get flat since i passed 20s.. its not like npp tren will get some people flat, i usually run it with other nandrolones cause of it and mind you tren is my favorite compound after masteron then its winny.
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Elvia1023
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I will do. I will be restarting my syntherol log anyday so will probably just put everything in that. Had a slight issue so have delayed things. I had a big leg workout the other day. Long story short I finished with 2 crazy sets of leg extensions. Tom Platz style but even more mental and after the 2nd one I tried to stand up and my legs completely went and I come crashing down and hit my elbow on the floor. It's been really sore since so I can't train properly. A silly injury and it's a shame I never got that set on video
Whilst I am here check this video out. It's got some useful tips for anyone following a keto diet.
The 5 Biggest Ketosis Mistakes - YouTube
I'm really looking forward to trying this protocol. Does the whey have to be hydrolized? Or can I use someting like impact whey from myprotein.com ?
My fear is just getting hypo creep on me while I'm alseep.
My fear is just getting hypo creep on me while I'm alseep.