I love winny, orally as well, but it will hammer your HDL down big time. I don't know anybody that didn't have this result.
With 'Var, I've seen some guys HDL drop a lot, but many other users it did not effect much at all. Not sure why, as it must be genetic?
I really never wasted my time with Var or Winny until the 2000's because I thought they were a waste of money, which for awhile Var definitely was at the prices it was being sold. However, after I tried real versions of both (never had bad batches I guess), I really liked both compounds. Not sure how well I would do on winny now as I'm older and it's been forever since I used it, but it definitely enhanced my physique if I was already lean. Winny also gave me a ton of strength. Since I did well on orals, I never really cared for injectable versions and painful injects.