I agree 100% Hawk. I always listened to what the "old timers" had to say as a good start and then basically just used myself as a "crash test dummy" trying different things until I found what worked best for me and my body. That's why I never consider myself or anyone else an expert on any AAS compound. I respect and appreciate everyone's opinions but since there really aren't very many real studies done on AAS. At least not that I have seen. Most of our info we get is really by trial and error. Don't get me wrong their are ALOT of smart fucking people here and other places that help dumb asses like me along they way but with so many different factors that come into play with AAS its still just opinions in the end. Its posts like this though that I really enjoy because it promotes really informative ideas and discussions that really everybody out....AR....
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Why I think low T cycles are better
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BigBob
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You know I still dont understand sometimes when people say you must use test? All of these steroids were created as analogs of test. No? I would believe that if test is so great than why create any other. That's rhetorical. So Lets say I just wanted to use anadrol for 6 weeks. Whats the big deal? All I ever hear is youll feel like crap. Or you'll lose all your gains. I can tell you my first few dboll only cycles were killer and I didn't lose all my gains. Also did Deca by itself. Great cycle but it did kill my sex drive but couldn't I have used some HCG? I do remember back in 97 that I used Anadrol from San Heo for 6 weeks and I looked freaky. No test. My durateston supply ran out. I know this has been discussed so much but I guess you just have to try it for yourself and see what works. I may drop test for a while and see. I can always go back.
101st Ranger
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I like this concept myself quite a bit. And like Bob said, everyone is so different and no solution is a 100% solution. Let alone for everyone.
Hell, I used to use anavar long term by itself and I looked amazing. By today's standards, people would light me up for that. I've been on that shit for 9 mos straight and it was phenomenal. People were non stop telling me how great I looked.
On that note, I think I'm about to go injest a large quantity of anadrol
Hell, I used to use anavar long term by itself and I looked amazing. By today's standards, people would light me up for that. I've been on that shit for 9 mos straight and it was phenomenal. People were non stop telling me how great I looked.
On that note, I think I'm about to go injest a large quantity of anadrol
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I too am a dumbass, but also a thinker. I want to know why I am doing something so I can do it myself next time.
Heck before the internet all you could get was one or two things. And it wasnt a list it was whatever you could score. Also, everything shits you down so they only reason you "need" test is for it's androgen qualities like sex drive. Not to mention I have heard of tested athletes running nothing but tren ace or hex.
You're so right it is very individual and this isn't the last word in cycling by any means. But, it is worth thinking about.I like this concept myself quite a bit. And like Bob said, everyone is so different and no solution is a 100% solution. Let alone for everyone.
Hell, I used to use anavar long term by itself and I looked amazing. By today's standards, people would light me up for that. I've been on that shit for 9 mos straight and it was phenomenal. People were non stop telling me how great I looked.
On that note, I think I'm about to go injest a large quantity of anadrol
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There might be a really positive side effect of using very low Test that we haven't really discussed. I could see it leading to a reduction in soft tissue injuries for some people. This is partly speculation, but the underlying logic is sound, I believe. High levels of testosterone have been shown to reduce collagen synthesis in the joints and other soft tissues. So as we build bigger, stronger muscles we at the same time create weaker and weaker connective tissue like tendons and ligaments. Physiological levels of test do not have this issue, only supra physiological levels.
I think that by keeping Test within true TRT levels, and running higher levels of compounds like Deca, EQ, and Anavar that are known to increase collagen synthesis, we might be able to keep our connective tissues healthier over the long run, and possibly prevent the torn tendons and ligaments that are so prevalent in bodybuilding and powerlifting.
I don't know that it will fix any damage that has already been done, but as a preventative measure it definitely can't do any harm. Especially on this forum, a lot of the guys are more mindful of their overall long term health than in other parts of the net. As we get older, our joints are going to get worse anyway. We might as well take every precaution we can now to make sure we can still get around when we're the ones telling the young guys stories about how big and strong we used to be when we were their age.
I think that by keeping Test within true TRT levels, and running higher levels of compounds like Deca, EQ, and Anavar that are known to increase collagen synthesis, we might be able to keep our connective tissues healthier over the long run, and possibly prevent the torn tendons and ligaments that are so prevalent in bodybuilding and powerlifting.
I don't know that it will fix any damage that has already been done, but as a preventative measure it definitely can't do any harm. Especially on this forum, a lot of the guys are more mindful of their overall long term health than in other parts of the net. As we get older, our joints are going to get worse anyway. We might as well take every precaution we can now to make sure we can still get around when we're the ones telling the young guys stories about how big and strong we used to be when we were their age.
Magnus82
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With the inception of legal pro-hormones, there were hundreds of thousands running full on cycles without test, and many without pct. Not saying I would.comdone it, but if it were a huge problem, I think we would have heard about it. Now for long term oil users, I would still suggest using a trt dose of test. I would imagine the damaging effects of low t would still be present during a cycle, so I think a trt dose would be important. That being said, I suffer from test flu and rarely go over 250mg/wk and grow just fine. One thing to consider is ment. It was actually developed as a testosterone alternative in hormone replacement. Several studies on pubmed
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101st Ranger
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That would be interesting. If you do, please post your thoughts in the log. Certainly worth documenting and I know am interested in the results.
BigBob
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I've only got one dose of tne left so I'm thinking of just going with 50 milligrams of oxy I've got some BD green Giants and some IV drol. I'm going to see how it goes. If I start feeling shity I have some suspension that I can always use.
Magnus82
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I believe BigBob is talking about British Dragons Anadrolic, aka oxymetholone. I think someone is a gear hoarder!
BigBob
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Yup. I order drol with every order. Even if I don't need them. That's how impressed I was with them the few times I did them. On a side note. I know now I'm older and low test is a lot different for a 50 year old and a 30 year old. So I'm not confident that it will work out well but hey you don't know till you try right.
CombatFrog
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I have to agree about with most of what was said on this thread. But I have a bit of an issue, and I wonder if anyone else has experienced it or not. I've been on TRT for about 4 years now, blasting on and off for almost 2 years. I started low dose Tren E (100mg/wk) roughly last July. With 100 mb/wk of Test E. Sex drive dropped off (I had been using at least 200 mg/wk when not blasting). I tried it because previously I did a cycle of Tren E 300mg/wk with Test E 250mg/wk. Had great results minimal sides. When I started the low dose Tren I went along with the idea Test lower than Tren to prevent sides. But libido and performance were off so I raised it slowly to 100mg/ wk Tren E, and 500 mg/wk Test E. Felt freakin fantastic and no sides, gains were consistent and solid, and libido and performance were excellent. So for shits and giggles I threw in 400mg/wk of Deca and figured that I would slowly drop the Test back down to TRT levels.
Now here is the issue, (yeah yeah, it's about time), when I get the test down to around 300mg/wk libido and performance start to drop. Also note that I started myself on 5mgs of cialis everyday a few months ago, because quite frankly TRT by itself wasn't cutting it for me. And after I started the daily low dose of cialis, I felt like my old self again.
So here is the question, I've read many times that for some guys Deca is a sex killer. I've used it on the past with no sex issues. Now granted I'm almost 54 now. So is it my age that requires a higher TRT dose or is it the Deca?
Now here is the issue, (yeah yeah, it's about time), when I get the test down to around 300mg/wk libido and performance start to drop. Also note that I started myself on 5mgs of cialis everyday a few months ago, because quite frankly TRT by itself wasn't cutting it for me. And after I started the daily low dose of cialis, I felt like my old self again.
So here is the question, I've read many times that for some guys Deca is a sex killer. I've used it on the past with no sex issues. Now granted I'm almost 54 now. So is it my age that requires a higher TRT dose or is it the Deca?
BigBob
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I would say deca. It always effects my wood. But I had virtually no sex drive on winny and test suspension. When I switched to TNE everything came back. I haven't figured it out. I'm sure age has something to do with it too. And if your wig or gf is still hot or not. ;-)
CombatFrog
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I'm thinking it's the Deca too. Because when I was doing the Tren 300/Test 250wk, I was wearing my old lady out. So I only have 6 weeks to go on the Deca and I bumped the Test up to 400/wk. Seems to be ok. I may bump it back to 500 we'll see how the 400 feels after a couple of weeks. It was and experiment that had decent results, but I think I won't do it again. Now that I've discovered Tren for myself, I don't know that I'll go to any other compound. But I'm open.
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Well, I certainly don't have an answer for you but, I can make some speculation. Regarding libido we have to competing hormones. Test which helps with libido (remember some is psychogical) while deca and tren both increase prolactin which decreases libido. So, if your main barometer is libido and mood there is a lot going on.
When it comes to muscld growth I suspect the diff between 300 Tren or 300 T ew would be hard to measure. However, 1000 of each you can definately tell.
Hawk
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Good point Hawk on the prolactin. I have some Prami, I might try a little.
As for the 1000mgs/wk of either, I'll work up to it. Since last year was the first time I ever tried Tren. And even now I'm bigger than I've ever been, and breaking all my PRs I moving along. That's way better than in the past, when I had constant plateaus. But I don't disagree with you.
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