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Which Tren is the best for a six weeking cutting

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mike1991 said:
Which Tren is the best for a six weeking cutting regiment?
If your going with 6-8wks, I'd run a cycle like this:
wk1-8 Test Prop 100mg/eod
wk1-8 Tren Ace 100mg/eod
pct starting on wk9
 

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Damn Tren Ace makes me super emotional, only drawback for me on that. I love that stuff though.
 

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Tren acetate is all I have ever used for cutting. Its probably in my head, but I swear the stuff just melts the fat off. Use it with Masteron or Winstrol and it get better.

Always make my own from fina. I double the carts to get a higher mg/ml ratio. 4 carts for a 2 gram kit. Im probably getting 140mg/ml. It takes longer to make but 1/2 a cc every other day dosnt get old as fast as 1 ml ever other day. I did sites for a while with the regular strength stuff but it gets old. Some guys actualy convert it to a spray that they spray on their chest. Kinda seems like a waste to me. Your bodys uptake is 1/4 what it is when you stick it.

75mg every other day works well for most first timers.


BE WARNED!!!!!!!!!!! IT WILL MAKE YOU VARY UNPLEASANT TO BE AROUND!!!

Seems like every time I almost get devoiced, I'm on TREN..It makes me MEAN:flamingma
 

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Yeah, I order 40 ml of the stealh stuff from alin. Its been years since I used it. I will start at the 75mg when I get it. Damn I hope it doesn't make me mean if it does its your fault :D
 

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shanetuff said:
Tren acetate is all I have ever used for cutting. Its probably in my head, but I swear the stuff just melts the fat off. Use it with Masteron or Winstrol and it get better.

Always make my own from fina. I double the carts to get a higher mg/ml ratio. 4 carts for a 2 gram kit. Im probably getting 140mg/ml. It takes longer to make but 1/2 a cc every other day dosnt get old as fast as 1 ml ever other day. I did sites for a while with the regular strength stuff but it gets old. Some guys actualy convert it to a spray that they spray on their chest. Kinda seems like a waste to me. Your bodys uptake is 1/4 what it is when you stick it.

75mg every other day works well for most first timers.


BE WARNED!!!!!!!!!!! IT WILL MAKE YOU VARY UNPLEASANT TO BE AROUND!!!

Seems like every time I almost get devoiced, I'm on TREN..It makes me MEAN:flamingma

140mg/ml wow, thats gotta hurt, tren inj. hurt me at 100mg/ml, hurts more than any other gear I get other than prop anyways, you must be one tough mofo...

I wish I could get finna carts up here in canuckland, I don't think they have em, I know lots of people into cattle being albertan too...

yeah tren makes me meaner than hell, but the results are so worth it......

guys spraying there chest eh! did they mix it with dmso or something, I agree seems like a waste,

get this dude, I ran into a guy on a forum a couple of years ago who would just mash up the pellets really fine and inject them as is, what a tool.....he sure got an earfull when he posted that LMAO....
 
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I was a member over a freaky muscle for a long time. Guys would separate it from all the binders and add it to Afrin Nasal spray, eat them, make the trans dermal spray. The pellets are added to one of those "PRO HORMONE" sprays that were popular when ANDRO was all hyped up. Maybe Mark figured something out when he was hitting all those home runs?

There is another product called Synovex H. Heifer Implants contain two pure steroid hormones, testosterone propionate and estradiol benzoate. Each dosage consits of 8 pellets containing 200 mg testosterone propionate and 20 mg estradiol benzoate per implantation. This formulation provides a complementary amount of each hormone for maximal growth stimulation. Each dosage of Synovex h consits of 8 pellets. Synovex h is recommended for use in heifers weighing 400 lbs or more. Net contents: 10 cartridges (100 doses) Each cartridge contains 10 rows of 8 pellets.

Guys have figured out a way to isolate the test and throw out the estradiol.
Way too much for me to try.

There are tons of places to get "conversion Kits".

shit, look at the adds on top of the message board.



I was doing sites with 150mg with no pain at all. I warm the bottle up in my sink with the water on as hot as it will go. Once the oil is warmed up, I draw it with a 22 or 23, Pull the plunger out of a 1" 25 or the biggest insulin needle a can find.

when doing sites you dont want to push the plunger to fast and you must check to see if your in a vain by drawing back fist. CHECK OUT, "HOW TO DO INJECTIONS."

I pushed through a capillary in my bi once, I didn't pull out. The TREN cough was nuts. The alcohol in the tren hits your respiratory system and you end up having a coughing fit. I also ended up with a snake bite the size of a 50 cent piece smack dab on the head of my bi. After that I switched to using the little girl needles.

Hitting yourself every other day gets old. I started looking for new places to hit. TRIS,DELTS,CALVES,BIS


Even though the every other day injections suck, TREN IS MY FAVORITE. PERIOD. HANDS DOWN..
 

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tordon said:
get this dude, I ran into a guy on a forum a couple of years ago who would just mash up the pellets really fine and inject them as is, what a tool.....he sure got an earfull when he posted that LMAO....



Stupid people out there. I read a post were a guy was mainlining LIQUID CLEN.

I was hoping that he was just a dumb ass posting shit he was making up to get a reaction.

Either way, that makes the guy a dumbass in my book...
 

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Synovex seems to be the only implants around here, but dam expensive for whatever reason for the MG's of prop you get. plus you need a vets script, wich is a bigger hassle than getting test from my moms doc, LOL...mabey he will write out a script for synovex on her healthplan, LOL, she is getting kinda fat...oh man I feel guilty I just pretty much called my mom a cow, LMFAO....

if I found some cheap pellets I'd probebly try it, although I don't really like the idea of using gas line antifreeze to strip of the estridol, as well it also strips off the prop ester, and I'm not really a test suspension kinda guy, EOD injects are bad enough,

I acctully have a 30ml conv. kit still sitting in the box for the day I acctully find some finna pellets...

150mg of tren a day no prob eh, I guess mabey my regular source is a little free with the BA....

I bet ya the guy injecting the ground finna pellets could have sure used the 16G pins mike was talking about on the pin thread, LOL,

main lineing clen, what a tard

so you injected into a vein eh shane, geez I have hit a couple but always remember to aspirate and go elswhere, had a buddy who inj. into a vein with depot, he didn't go into details though, always kinda wondered what symtoms a guy would get from that....
 

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I hit one of the little bitty ones that kinda spider web your bi. I knew that I got it cause it started bleeding under my scin.

I just figured that I had already hit it so just pushed all the way through it. (1' 23g) Besides, I didnt want to dull another needle....


I know, I know. Im a dumb ass. Leason learned..
:dumbass:
 

shanetuff

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tordon said:
150mg of tren a day no prob eh, I guess maybe my regular source is a little free with the BA....

Thats allot dude. If your responding to my post...

I double the carts to increase the mg/ml ratio roughly twice. So it comes out double strength.

I then can cut my dose down to 1/2 ml but I still get 75mg per ml.

Yes, I have used 150 mg of the stuff EVERY OTHER DAY, but only when I was hard up for gear to stack with it.

I dont recommend using that much. Tren is not too hard on your liver, but I hear that your kidneys get beat up a little. It will also make your hair fall out in a hurry, if you are disposed to that.

It does not arromatize at all so no worries there

It is still by far safer than A-50 higher doses of d-bol and I think every thing In the world is better than Halotestin.
 

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shanetuff said:
Thats allot dude. If your responding to my post...

I double the carts to increase the mg/ml ratio roughly twice. So it comes out double strength.

I then can cut my dose down to 1/2 ml but I still get 75mg per ml.

Yes, I have used 150 mg of the stuff EVERY OTHER DAY, but only when I was hard up for gear to stack with it.

I dont recommend using that much. Tren is not too hard on your liver, but I hear that your kidneys get beat up a little. It will also make your hair fall out in a hurry, if you are disposed to that.

It does not arromatize at all so no worries there

It is still by far safer than A-50 higher doses of d-bol and I think every thing In the world is better than Halotestin.

sorry bro screwed up on what I posted,
I't was supposed to say 150mg/ml no problem
instead of 150mg of tren a day no prob....my bad,
dosing I never do above 100mg EOD myself,
I really like your idea of half a cc eod too...
it is hard on the liver like you said, but not as bad as 17A orals, had a buddy on tren a few weeks ago, guys a little gung hoe, didn't listen to me about the gallon of h2o a day thing, his kidneys started hurten the dumb ass....
bet yah he will listen now.....
I get no ill effects from tren other than temper, also I'm one of those unlucky individuals that has to keep bromo on hand to counter prolactin....but other than that, I call the stuff nector of the gods, in my opinion there is'nt a better AS....... as far as dbol, stuff makes me bald quiker than I already am, also for whatever reason I can't wake up the little tordon on the stuff, ive had all different brands, and i know its not andogenic like deca dick, but yet, even on test with the dbol i still cant wake the little fella up without viagra or cialis...got a bunch of dbol on hand that I may never even use anymore youd think tren would do this to me not dbol but its just not how it works with my wee wee, he's pretty fussy...
I really don't like anadol either to tell you the truth...and god forbid halosten.....
 

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boombaby said:
Tren is hard on your kidneys if you dont consume enough water. Start chugging water right after your inject,which should be ed with ace.

It may be some peoples preference to inject ED, but Acetate like propanate esters as a rule of thumb means EOD.....
 

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tordon said:
It may be some peoples preference to inject ED, but Acetate like propanate esters as a rule of thumb means EOD.....
A formula that I found that corrulates with what I have heard from people I know is:

To figure out a product's half life multiply the carbons of the ester by .7.

For example Acetate 2 carbons x.7 = 1.4 days. This explains why people do better on Tren Ace as an ED vs EOD as far as sides and gains go.

Propionate 3 carbons x.7 = 2.1 days. Bettter as an EOD than a E3D.

Enanthate 7 carbons x.7 = 4.9days. This does give a lot more credibility to those who insist on enan as a bi-weekly vs once a week injection

Cypionate 8 carbon x.7 = 5.6 days. Here again bi weekly mathematically seems like the better idea. Although with Cyp weekly still can be and is done by many.

Deca 10 carbons x.7 = 7 days. Everyone says Deca is a weekly and the formula support this.

EQ 11 carbons x.7 = 7.7days. I know some do EQ bi weekly but weekly could certainly be done effectively.

When in doubt more frequent shots is better for more stable blood levels of course but this might give some out there a better idea of how long they can go in between shots.

Plus everyone metabolizes at a different rate, but given this I would inject everyday for best results and EOD for convienence. Have not tried Tren Ace yet so I might be talking out my ass.
 

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I stole this, thought you might find it interesting, if you guys havnt already read it.



The drug trenbolone acetate is, without a doubt, the most powerful injectable anabolic steroid used. However the full properties of the drug are not always fully understood. This profile will separate fact from fiction.

Trenbolone is similar to the highly popular steroid nandrolone, in that they are both 19-nor steroids, meaning that a testosterone molecule has been altered at the 19th position to give us a new compound. Unlike nandrolone however trenbolone is an excellent mass and hardening drug with the majority of gains being muscle fiber, with minimal water retention (1) It has an unbelievable anabolic (muscle building) score of 500. When you compare that to testosterone, which itself is a powerful mass builder, and has an anabolic score of 100 you can begin to fathom the muscle building potential of trenbolone. What makes trenbolone so anabolic? Numerous factors come into play. Trenbolone greatly increases the level of the extremely anabolic hormone IGF-1 within muscle tissue (2). And, it´s worth noting that not only does it increase the levels of IGF-1 in muscle over two fold, it also causes muscle satellite cells (cells that repair damaged muscle) to be more sensitive to IGF-1 and other growth factors(3). The amount of DNA per muscle cell may also be significantly increased (3).

Trenbolone also has a very strong binding affinity to the androgen receptor (A.R), binding much more strongly than testosterone (4). This is important, because the stronger a steroid binds to the androgen receptor the better that steroid works at activating A.R dependant mechanisms of muscle growth. There is also strong supporting evidence that compounds which bind very tightly to the androgen receptor also aid in fat loss. Think as the receptors as locks and androgens as different keys, with some keys (androgens) opening (binding) the locks (receptors) much better than others. This is not to say that AR-binding is the final word on a steroid´s effectiveness. Anadrol doesn´t have any measurable binding to the AR& and we all know how potent Anadrol is for mass-building.

Trenbolone increases nitrogen retention in muscle tissue (5). This is of note because nitrogen retention is a strong indicator of how anabolic a substance is. However, trenbolone´s incredible mass building effects do not end there. Trenbolone has the ability to bind with the receptors of the anti-anabolic (muscle destroying) glucocorticoid hormones (6). This may also has the effect of inhibiting the catabolic (muscle destroying) hormone cortisol (7).

Yet another amazing trait of trenbolone that must be noted is its ability to improve feed efficiency and mineral absorption in animals given the drug (8). To help you understand what this means for you, feed efficiency is a measurement of how much of an animals diet is converted into meat, and the more food it takes to produce this meat, the lower the efficiency. Conversely, the less food it takes to produce meat the, higher the efficiency& well you get the idea. Animals given trenbolone gained high quality weight without having their diet adjusted, thus improving feed efficiency. Finding new compounds which can improve feed efficiency is a billion dollar industry, and has spawned many nutritional advances in the bodybuilding world over the last few decades (CLA, Whey Protein, and HMB are compounds which spring to mind as having first been introduced by the livestock industry). What does this translate to for the hard training athlete? The food you eat will be better utilized for building lean muscle, and vitamins and minerals are also better absorbed which may keep you healthier during cycle.

Trenbolone is also a highly androgenic hormone, when compared with testosterone, which has an androgenic ratio of 100; trenbolone´s androgenic ratio is an astonishing 500. Highly androgenic steroids are appreciated for the effects they have on strength as well as changing the estrogen/androgen ratio, thus reducing water and under the skin. As if the report on trenbolone was not good enough, it gets better; Trenbolone is extraordinarily good as a fat loss agent. One reason for this is its powerful effect on nutrient partitioning (9). It is a little known fact is that androgen receptors are found in fat cells as well as muscle cells(10), androgens act directly on the A.R in fat cells to affect fat burning.(11) the stronger the androgen binds to the A.R, the higher the lipolytic (fat burning) effect on adipose tissue (fat)(11). Since some steroids even increase the numbers of A.R in muscle and fat (11, 12) this fat loss effect would be amplified with the concurrent use of other compounds, such as testosterone.

Trenbolone promotes red blood cell production and increases the rate of glycogen replenishment, significantly improving recovery (13). Like almost all steroids, trenbolones effects are dose dependant with higher dosages having the greatest effects on body composition and strength. Mental changes are a notorious side effect of trenbolone use(15), androgens increase chemicals in the brain that promote aggressive behavior(16), which can be beneficial for some athletes wanting to improve speed and power.

Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen. Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bitch tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention trenbolone. Trenbolone is also resistant to the 5- alpha-reductase enzyme, this enzyme reduces some steroid hormones into a more androgenic form, in trenbolones case however this does not matter, trenbolone boasts an androgenic ratio of 500, it can easily cause adverse androgenic side effects in any steroid.com members who are prone cases of hair loss, prostate enlargement, oily skin and acne have been reported. Unfortunately trenbolones potential negative side effects do not end there. Trenbolone is also a noted progestin: it binds to the receptor of the female sex hormone progesterone (with about 60% of the actual strength progesterone) (17). In sensitive steroid.com members this can lead to bloat and breast growth worse still, trenbolones active metabolite17beta-trenbolone has a binding affinity to the progesterone receptor (PgR) that is actually greater than progesterone itself (18). No need to panic though, the anti-estrogens letrzole or fulvestrant can lower progesterone levels, and combat any progestenic sides. The use of a 19-nor compound like trenbolone also increases prolactin& . bromocriptine or cabergoline are often recommended to lower prolatin levels (20). Testicular atrophy (shrunken balls) may also occur; HCG used intermittently throughout a cycle can prevent this. (21) It is also wise for Tren users to closely monitor their cholesterol levels, as well as kidney function and liver enzymes, as Tren has the potential to negatively affect all of those functions. Trenbolone, being a powerful progestin, will also shut down natural testosterone production which even a relatively small dose and keep the testosterone level suppressed for an extended period of time, this can lower libido and cause erectile dysfunction (fina dick). It is essential that you always stack trenbolone with testosterone.

The acetate ester is a very short-chain ester attached to the trenbolone molecule. It has an active life of 2-3 days but to keep blood levels of trenbolone elevated and steady, daily injections are often recommended. The acetate ester provides a rapid and high concentration of the hormone which is beneficial to those seeking quick gains, coupled with a rapid clearing time the acetate ester can be discontinued on the onset of adverse side effects.

Now that the properties of trenbolone acetate have been explained we can better understand how to use it in order to maximize its advantages. Evidence suggests that trenbolone when stacked with estrogen promotes more weight gain that trenbolone alone(22), now I´m not telling you to go pop some birth control with your trenbolone but the addition of aromatizing orals such as dianabol and a long estered testosterone such as cypionate or enanthate would produce great gains in a bulking cycle. For a cutting cycle trenbolone is the best choice you have; trenbolones powerful effect on nutrient shuttling allows a user to restrict calories and remain in a state of positive nitrogen balance (remember what that means?). The cortisol reducing effect and binding to the glucocorticoid receptor will greatly reduce the catabolic effects of harsh dieting and excessive amounts of cardio& not to mention that trenbolone itself may burn fat (due to it´s strong AR-binding). A good choice to stack with tren in a cutting cycle is Winstrol. Winstrol has a low binding affinity to the AR and thus will act in your body in vastly different ways than the Tren (i.e. in non-receptor mediated action). In addition, Winstrol is a DHT-based drug and Tren is a 19-nor& throw in some Testosterone (prop), and you´ll have a cutting cycle which takes advantage of all 3 major families of Anabolic Steroids (Testosterone, 19-nor, and DHT), as well as vastly different AR-binding affinities and mechanisms of action.

Ironically, even though Tren is an excellent contest prep drug, it lowers your thyroid level(23), and this raises prolactin. I recommend taking T3 (25mcgs/day) along with your Tren to avoid elevating your prolactin too high via this route.

Also, this drug is a poor choice for athletes who rely on cardiovascular fitness to play a sport. Tren, anecdotally at least, reduces many athletes ability to sustain high levels of endurance. Unfortunately, this makes Tren a poor choice for many.

As of now the main source of trenbolone is from implants for cattle being converted into an injectable or transdermal compound, from powder, and of course Underground Labs. "Home brewing" powder or cattle implants seems to be the preferred method of obtaining injectable trenbolone acetate, because the user would have much more control over the potency and sterility of the drug. Trenbolone is much more expensive than other anabolic steroids ranging from 15 U.S dollars per gram of powder or 150 U.S for a single 10 ml bottle. The cost of trenbolone should not matter, it is worth every penny.