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test p question

spiderbait

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hi, actually im quite curious abt test prop. people usally take 100mg EOD which adds up to around 400mg of test per week. Is this sufficient if one is used to doin higher doses of test? ive done test at 750mg so was wondering if 100mg eod would be enough. thanks for ure input
 

rAJJIN

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Its differant because it releases faster of course.
Id say 100mg eod would be a good place to start and you can always adjust from there if needed.
 

spiderbait

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if i were to stack it along w tren ace. wat would be a recommendable duration? i'm not a fan of long cycles. and btw ive been doin test at 750mg. if i were to do 100mg eod that would add up to ard 400mg of test per week, wont that result in unsatisfactory gains as compared to 750 mg of test per week?
 

rAJJIN

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Man spider obviously I dont know a whole lot about ya But I try and answer your question in general....

Im guessing you probably use test enanthate at 750 mg per week?
I dont have time tolook it all up But going from memory I beleive the half life on enanthate is appx 12 days and the half life on the prop is appx 3 days.
So even though your taking less total mg per week you have to remember that the test prop will release into the bloodstream 3 times as fast as the enanthate. Which means of course when you take your last shot it also Quits working for you 3 times as fast... Is it making sense what Im trying to say?

Test prop and tren ace work REAL good with eachother.
Tren some strong stuff, But thats another topic. Im not real sure your
Age,Cycle experience,Stats etc etc... But even For an advance and experienced user theres no reason to take More then 50mg per day or 100mg eod of the Tren acetate.

As far as 750mg of long acting Test (talking test alone)
Vs 400mg of Fast acting test.... ifwere being use alone Id prefer the long acting Test @750mg Myself. I dont know that you would see a Real noticable differance in either..Maybe less water and bloat and a little more Hardness from the prop.
I guess it depends on your Goals and If you dont mind taking a shot eod.
 

rAJJIN

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Spider....
Ill copy a post below from the guys on a UK forum about
1/2 lives. It might help you understand a little better then my trying to explain it. Read the very last paragragh real good.
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Depot steroids

Drug Active half-life
Deca-durabolin (Nandrolone decanate) 15 days
Equipoise 14 days
Finaject (trenbolone acetate) 3 days
Primobolan (methenolone enanthate) 10.5 days
Sustanon or Omnadren 15 to 18 days
Testosterone Cypionate 12 days
Testosterone Enanthate 10.5 days
Testosterone Propionate 4.5 days
Testosterone Suspension 1 day
* Winstrol (stanozolol) 1 day

*Winstrol depot does not actually possess a classical half-life because it is un-esterified. Instead, the microcrystals dissolve slowly. Once they have all dissolved levels of the drug fall very rapidly. It is still an important consideration, and we have included it with a half-life of one day.

Steroid esters

Drug Active half-life
Formate 1.5 days
Acetate 3 days
Propionate 4.5 days
Phenylpropionate 4.5 days
Butyrate 6 days
Valerate 7.5 days
Hexanoate 9 days
Caproate 9 days
Isocaproate 9 days
Heptanoate 10.5 days
Enanthate 10.5 days
Octanoate 12 days
Cypionate 12 days
Nonanoate 13.5 days
Decanoate 15 days
Undecanoate 16.5 days

Ancillaries

Drug Active half-life
Arimidex 3 days
Clenbuterol 1.5 days
Clomid 5 days
Cytadren 6 hours
Ephedrine 6 hours
T3 10 hours

A practical example is if one was to inject 100mg of testosterone propionate and allow blood levels to peak. In 4.5 days time (half-life duration from the above tables) and providing no other injections had taken place, the level would be reduced to 50mg. Again, a further 4.5 days down the line and levels would have dropped to 25mg, and the value keeps halving every 4.5 days.
 

rAJJIN

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Heres another good Post about active half lives By a VERY smart fella-
Iron Addict.
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High Mg per ML Roids, What you need to know – by Iron Addict
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Not a week goes by that I don't get personal email questions from people about how to make high mg per ml gear. There are also lots of these posts on the boards so I'm taking a moment to clear a couple of things up.

1. Most hormones have a pretty low solubility in oil.
2. The primary ways to increase solubility are to
A) add solvent (BA or EA).
B) Add an ester to the hormone. The longer the ester the more hormone will fit in the oil at a certain mg per ml ratio. Conversely, the weight of the ester is also factored in the total mg per ml ratio, so while you can fit more hormone in, you are getting less actual hormone than the mg amount implies. Here are some examples:

Ester actual mg/100mg dose
test no ester 100
tren acetate 87
test prop 83
test enanth 72
test cyp 70
test undecan 63
nand phenyl 67
nand deca 64

This means that if your test cyp says 200 mgs per ml you get an actual 140 mgs of test. The rest of the weight is the weight of the ester. If that sounds like a bad deal you need to understand that test no ester is VERY insoluble in oil without going to very high mg per ml solvent concentrations.

This brings up the next point; PAIN!

Why do some shots hurt? There are two primary reasons. One, the solvent ratio is too high. Anything over about 10% starts to hurt. BA and EA are VERY inflammatory to the tissues. That’s why you want ONLY enough to help your oil hold more gear but not so much that it causes inflammation.

The second reason is that the gear crystallizes in the depot. This is precisely why water-based suspensions feel like hammer blows. The water is absorbed FAST, leaving the gear to crystallize in the tissues = PAIN. Even gear in oil can do this, here is how it works. If you use a low ester weight attached to your gear and make the mg per ml ratio SIGNIFICANTLY higher than the oil will hold on it's own, what happens is the body absorbs the solvent faster than the oil/gear and the gear falls out of the solution and crystallizes in the depot and WHAM, it hurts like hell. An optimum solution has just enough solvent to get more gear into solution than you could otherwise, but not so much that what I just stated happens. When the ratios are correct the gear holds in the solution UNTIL the whole depot is absorbed and very little or no pain is felt. Just to end this misconception once and for all IT IS NOT THE VOLUME OF THE OIL THAT CUASES THE PAIN, IT IS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS STATED ABOVE. You can shoot 5 cc's of sterile oil and never know you took a shot. It IS NOT HOW MUCH OIL YOU SHOOT! So why does everyone search for super high mg per ml ratio gear like it's the damn holy grail???

What is too high? Well the length of the ester is really what determines that but most of us here know the gear that hurts and know we know why. All tests over 250 mgs per ml hurt, and actually most of the 250 mg tests hurt too. SOOOO many people want there tren at 150-200 mgs per ml. Tren acetate should be at about what????? 75 mgs per ml. That is why all the kits are designed this way. Do you really think it's cheaper for the kit producers to add MORE oil to their kits instead of less? One other quick note. Oil is used because it SLOWS absorption. THIS IS PRECISELY WHAT YOU WANT IN A STEROI* SHOT! Less oil does not promote the steady state hormone levels achieved with more oil.
 

spiderbait

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thanks for bein so detailed.. really appreciate it.
im 5 8, 86kg. Done 4 cycles before, 3 being test cycles.
on my last cycle i did sustanon at 750mg ew for 8 weeks
i'm planning to do a Prop and Tren Ace stack next cycle
all my cycles so far has been all bulking ones.
this time ard im eager to try tren and prop out.

from the stats above would u think it would be good to do
prop 100mg eod and tren ace 75mg for 6 weeks? i'm kinda settled with the dosage for tren, but still wonderin abt the prop. what wld u do if u were in my position? :)