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What was the biggest lesson you learned to grow? - 06-26-2018, 07:21 PM

Mine was to eat. I started out eating what I thought was good...…….LOL.

Once I went with a coach (Shelby) and started "really" eating it was game on from there. Food = growing if all other things are on point.

All the drugs in the world will driving zero growth unless the calories are there to feed the machine. FULL STOP!
   
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Miss your logs.
Its too bad you couldn't do them any more. It was a big contribution to this board. You were a big contribution to this board.
Miss ya man.
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I agree. Diet has had the most dramatic effect on my physique in general - whether cutting or growing.
   
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Hands down, food intake. I used to think I was eating plenty, boy was I wrong. Just when you think you've eaten enough and can't possibly eat anymore.... eat again!


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^^^here's one more on the pile ..#1 game changer: proper/sufficient diet

#2 would have to be training volume/keeping training logs


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06-27-2018, 08:48 AM

Ya that too! Training volume is a big key also. Seams like the more I get the better I grow.
   
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Miss your logs.
Its too bad you couldn't do them any more. It was a big contribution to this board. You were a big contribution to this board.
Miss ya man.
Its like you disappeared man- are we going to see you around more?
Squatster, I'm here each and every day friend. I'm not logging because it seamed like it fell on deft ears. That's all. I told you in the VIP room I was here to stay...…...or until I'm invited to go away. I think I'm good with the Admin for at least another week or so....
   
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06-27-2018, 10:53 AM

Definitely food intake and staying consistent with it. Drugs without food will make you look better but you won't grow without food.
   
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Squatster, I'm here each and every day friend. I'm not logging because it seamed like it fell on deft ears. That's all. I told you in the VIP room I was here to stay...…...or until I'm invited to go away. I think I'm good with the Admin for at least another week or so....

Never on death ears man
Look at how many people read your posts.
Your log brough more mebers here in 1 week then we get in a long time
   
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Food is the biggest factor for growth. When I started taking more rest I also grew more. When I added intra shakes that improved growth and recovery as well.
   
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Food and time. Don't rush things. Slow and steady over years will build quality mass. Although muscle is mainly water so you can grow very fast by manipulating that fact.


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Ya know, I think sleep is way under rated. I have read countless times that sleeping is when you fix and grow. My sleep is so bad I took Ambien for years. It just stopped working. I should go look into getting something scripted. Staring at the sealing while my wife sleeps is no way to fly...…….

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Ya know, I think sleep is way under rated. I have read countless times that sleeping is when you fix and grow. My sleep is so bad I took Ambien for years. I just stopped working. I should go look into getting something scripted. Staring at the sealing while my wife sleeps is no way to fly...…….
I would go to a sleep specialist. Needing sleep meds for the rest of your life isn't ideal, unless there is no other solution. There's studies showing that there are many side effects to ambien, lunesta, etc.


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I agree with every post so far. Adding onto sleep I would state stress is a huge factor. Even with adequate sleep if stress is bad it can hinder the way the body/mind reacts to everything. Sleep is vital but I always find it interesting how some people can manage and grow fine on very little sleep whereas others need 8+ hours. I guess if sleep is poor but everything else is excellent and the person is eating around the clock it can make up for things. But anyone with sleeping issues should see a specialist. Too many friends have told me the difference in their quality of life after sorting out sleeping issues. Most bodybuilders suffer from sleep apnea and it can be fixed fairly easily but you need to get a sleep study done to see what the problem is.
   
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Training volume is the big one for me. When I first started it was 7 days a week for a year or two, eventually scaled back to 5...when I finally went down to 3-4 days a week, I magically started growing so much better. 3 is the best for me, but sometimes I just want an extra workout for the sake of enjoyment/stress relief. I always knew I had relatively poor genetics for BBing, but it took me a while to realize "oh, that means it takes my body longer to recover." If you can work out 7 days a week and keep growing, you've got a good future in this industry!
   
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06-28-2018, 11:48 PM

Food is the most important element for growth. Even with all the drugs in the world without food you won't grow adequately. Some need more than others but everyone needs quality and consistent meals every day to grow. Diet is the number 1 reason people don't reach the goals in bodybuilding.

I will say the only other thing more important that food is the utilization of that food. If it was as simple as just eating more to grow muscle everyone would be growing tonnes of muscle. But soon things start moving slower and forcing food can ruin a person's physique and blow out their waist. So there is a fine balance and of course drugs, training and everything else comes into play.


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Food and time. Don't rush things. Slow and steady over years will build quality mass. Although muscle is mainly water so you can grow very fast by manipulating that fact.
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Great point to make about not rushing things. If someone wants to grow then slow and steady wins the race. Stuffing your face from day 1 is not the optimal approach. Increase things gradually and have deload periods but always look at progressing food and training over time. Up drugs when they need to be upped but even with a simple stack muscle growth can occur over a long time.

The water comment is very important and it makes me think of how growth can occur quickly even if it's not real muscle tissue. I started a thread about 30 lean pounds in a short time. Obviously no one unless they are a complete newbie to training and drugs could do that. Most of us on here would be lucky to get 5 solid pounds of muscle tissue in a few months. But 30 pounds and staying just as lean doesn't have to mean you put on 30 pounds of solid tissue. Water in the right places can make a physique look completely different. Anyone who has ever dieted and then rebounded smartly will know what I mean. You can put 30 pounds on and look leaner and 2 was muscle tissue and 28 intracellular water. Then with that extra weight you can build upon it due to greater strength.

But for real quality growth it takes years of consistently with all elements in place unless you have the genetics to get away with not being 100% with everything.


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Staying consistent with food. Upping food quantity very slowly but over a long period with drugs to support clean growth.
   
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Food is the biggest factor for growth. When I started taking more rest I also grew more. When I added intra shakes that improved growth and recovery as well.
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