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cvel2805 · Sep 1, 2005

Was just wondering how much 'tenderness' itchiness or inflammation there should be round the nipple area to justify taking nolva throughout a cycle?? Is it natural to get a small amount of fat build up under the nipple regardless?? I have this, but i'm not sure whether it's totally the AAS or the ridiculous diet which is stacking on the fat...??? Can I rely on this subsiding once I start my PCT, or should more immediate action be taken...???

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ajc197925 · Sep 1, 2005

I experienced gyno symptoms myself my last cycle, and the itchiness and tenderness were unquestionable. It is very common to get some fat buildup under the nipple during a cycle, so if this is the case no problem. Small lumps are what you should be concerned about. If you develop gyno symptoms it is important to take action as soon as possible. Do not wait until the end of your cycle to assess the situation. Always, Always, Always keep some Nolvadex or other anti-estrogen on hand. A few pills can reverse the symptoms right away during the early signs.

DragonRider · Sep 3, 2005

cvel2805 said:
Was just wondering how much 'tenderness' itchiness or inflammation there should be round the nipple area to justify taking nolva throughout a cycle?? Thanks

You don't have to wait to get gyno symptoms to "justify" taking nolva. The positive effects on lipid profiles is justification enough.

Cannons · Sep 3, 2005

Its more effective to be proactive than reactive, and an aromatase inhibitor would be a better choice than nolvadex to combat gyno. This way you don't have to worry about aromatization, and if it does happen, then you can throw the nolvadex in.

cvel2805 · Sep 5, 2005

If i did start taking nolva, and felt like all syptoms had subsided, is it ok to stop the nolva then, or must you keep on taking it for the rest of the cycle???

Cannons · Sep 5, 2005

cvel2805 said:
If i did start taking nolva, and felt like all syptoms had subsided, is it ok to stop the nolva then, or must you keep on taking it for the rest of the cycle???

Continue to take it througout the cycle. You should be taking some type of AI (arimidex, femara, aromasin) or anti-estrogen(nolvadex, clomid) during your cycle to PREVENT gyno and water retention. If you aren't, and you get signs of gyno, take 40mg of nolvadex for 7 days then drop the dose to 20mg, and at a minimum 10mg everyday through the duration of your cycle. Once you start to get gyno, you don't want to take the chance of it flaring back up again, so yes, continue. However, until you get to know how your body reacts to certain compounds, it would be wise to start an AI along with your cycle and Nolvadex on hand for gyno problems.

DragonRider · Sep 5, 2005

I agree with Cannons. Once you determine that you are definately prone to gyno, that is the signal that you have to take anti-e's all of the time, everytime.

cvel2805 · Sep 6, 2005

thanks for that info Cannons!!

tee · Sep 6, 2005

Be aware that aromatase inhibitors and some anti-estrogens work to different degrees for different people. I can take Arimidex by the pound and I still get itchy nips. If I take Nolvadex, it controls it. Femara also works well for me. If you are gyno sensitive, I would advise having more than one compound available to you in case you need it.

cvel2805 · Sep 9, 2005

sorry for the hassling on this one, but is itchy nips the most relevant symptom for gyno?? i don't have ichy nips, but can swear that there is some sort of slight build of of fat in the nipple area....

Also, I read in one of Pincrusher's responses that if you do take Nolva throughout a cycle it will lessen the gains made during a cycle... this is why i wanted to be certain that I have the relevant syptoms before taking nolva...

tee · Sep 9, 2005

Some people get gyno with no symptoms (although more rare), and others have all the symptoms. I seem to get a little swelling (kind of like fat) in the area on every cycle, but it goes away when I finish. If you think you are getting gyno signs, I would recommend taking nolvadex. A lot of AAS users become overly worried about it though and start to imagine that they are getting puffy or more sensitive when they are not.

Some say they notice that their gains are not as good on Nolvadex while others seem to think it only limits the water build up so you think you are not gaining as much. I saw a study once that did say it would limit gains a very minor amount. You have to ask yourself would you rather limit gains a tad and be safe, or get big but need a bra?

DragonRider · Sep 9, 2005

tee said:
A lot of AAS users become overly worried about it though and start to imagine that they are getting puffy or more sensitive when they are not.
You have to ask yourself would you rather limit gains a tad and be safe, or get big but need a bra?

Bingo!

We seem to develop a lot of hypochondriacs when the issue is gyno.

kayholetrip · Sep 14, 2005

work stanzolol in to your cycle it will also block with nolvadex... which is "tamoxifen"

cawb · Sep 14, 2005

i just started taking nolva the other day. my nips started looking kinda puffy just a little and after about a week or two i noticed one nip to be a lil tender. i recentally upped my weekly dose then i started to notice the puffyness a lil more so fuck it better safe than sorry.

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