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[GetSwullll]

So i did about 13 weeks for my first cycle. No orals..test E for about 5 weeks and then Andropen 275 for about 7. Well it's winter time and I want to put on some huge size/mass. I want to do orals to help kick me off this cycle. And i've been off for about 15 weeks now. Not sure if i'll cycle again after this so what's a mean combo out there to throw some good mass on?! All advice welcome.


thanks

[IronMan]

wk1-4 IGF
wk1-4 30mg d-bol
wk1-12 500mg TEST-E
wk1-12 400mg DECA
wk1-12 300mg EQ
wk8-12 IGF
WK12-15 100mg TEST PROP
WK12-15 50mg winni
16-19 PCTs
EAT EAT EAT like a mother F**cker:smoker:

[GetSwullll]

What does IGF and EQ mean? Also, is D-bol better to take to kick off the cycle or is Andro good. I've heard great stuff about Andro?! And i also have read that Winni is more of a cutting roid than mass. This is only my second cycle and I eat good..but not at good as i can. I work so much and go to school that its hard. So im about 190 now. I want to get up to 215 and keep it. thanks

[IronMan]

Originally Posted by GetSwullll

What does IGF and EQ mean? Also, is D-bol better to take to kick off the cycle or is Andro good. I've heard great stuff about Andro?! And i also have read that Winni is more of a cutting roid than mass. This is only my second cycle and I eat good..but not at good as i can. I work so much and go to school that its hard. So im about 190 now. I want to get up to 215 and keep it. thanks

IGF (Insline like Growth Factor)
EQ Baldabol (Equipoise)[Boldenone Undecylenate]
D-bol is the way to kickstart your mass cycle Andro suck dude why would you even consider that shit if you want to use AAS Plus were would you get andro at also my opinion on andr is there really is not a lot of research done on that. The channels it goes thru in your body in order to convert into test I
think is more dangerous than aas its self plus it maby raises you
blood t-levels up only a fraction and for how long I think mabey 1 hour or so but the coversion to estrogen can last for hours

[GetSwullll]

Originally Posted by IronMan

IGF (Insline like Growth Factor)
EQ Baldabol (Equipoise)[Boldenone Undecylenate]
D-bol is the way to kickstart your mass cycle Andro suck dude why would you even consider that shit if you want to use AAS Plus were would you get andro at also my opinion on andr is there really is not a lot of research done on that. The channels it goes thru in your body in order to convert into test I
think is more dangerous than aas its self plus it maby raises you
blood t-levels up only a fraction and for how long I think mabey 1 hour or so but the coversion to estrogen can last for hours

Thanks...I just heard crazy shit about Andro so i thought i'd ask. I'll def. be grabbing the D-bol. However I'm gonna stay away from the IGF..I don't know enough and i've heard about really bad situations. I dont I will do that right now. But I'll kick the EQ and Test E for sure. That sound good?

thanks again man

[Big Danny]

As you mentioned this one could be you last cycle, so you may want to do it a bit longer. So I quoted from an article of Big A a cycle that I throughly recomend it. But taking into acount the fact that you are not new into the business you can slighty increase the doses.
You need a testosterone base. 750mg/week is plenty.
You need an anabolic - deca or Eq at 400mg/week is
plenty. You need for optimum growth, a good oral like
d-bol at 30mg/d or A-50 50mg/d.
You use the test and the anabolic non stop. The oral
is 4 weeks on 4 weeks off. Every 6th week (the half
way point between the off oral period - so 2 weeks
after you finish the oral) you have a blood test. If
the blood test is OK, then you can begin your next 4
weeks on oral. There is no reason for you to come off.
The only 2 reasons are health or your receptors are
saturated. If the regular blood test is OK, your
health is OK. If you are still making progress, your
receptors are OK. Coming off, will just sabotage your
gains. That's why I do not believe in set time frames
for cycles. Listen to your body. When you use the
oral, you need to use all the liver aids available - Synthergine,
Milk Thistle, L-methionine, Liv-52, etc.

[IronMan]

Originally Posted by Big Danny

As you mentioned this one could be you last cycle, so you may want to do it a bit longer. So I quoted from an article of Big A a cycle that I throughly recomend it. But taking into acount the fact that you are not new into the business you can slighty increase the doses.
You need a testosterone base. 750mg/week is plenty.
You need an anabolic - deca or Eq at 400mg/week is
plenty. You need for optimum growth, a good oral like
d-bol at 30mg/d or A-50 50mg/d.
You use the test and the anabolic non stop. The oral
is 4 weeks on 4 weeks off. Every 6th week (the half
way point between the off oral period - so 2 weeks
after you finish the oral) you have a blood test. If
the blood test is OK, then you can begin your next 4
weeks on oral. There is no reason for you to come off.
The only 2 reasons are health or your receptors are
saturated. If the regular blood test is OK, your
health is OK. If you are still making progress, your
receptors are OK. Coming off, will just sabotage your
gains. That's why I do not believe in set time frames
for cycles. Listen to your body. When you use the
oral, you need to use all the liver aids available - Synthergine,
Milk Thistle, L-methionine, Liv-52, etc.

I don't know about that one.Inless you are a pro bodybuilder you do not want to stay on cycles longer than you have to because the longer you are on the longer the recovery will be.You don't want to have to be on HRT for the rest of your life because you were on test to long it can shut you down real hard and for a real long time.

[GetSwullll]

Thanks for all the help guys. Well I think I'm going to compromise on this one.
Tell me what you think.
Test-E @ 500 mg P. Week = 10weeks
Deca @ 400mg P. Week=10 weeks
D-bol=30mg P DAY = 4 weeks
Milk Thistle (for liver)= First 6 weeks (also not sure how long to stay on that...any suggestions)

Then regular Nomid, Cloma off cycle?!?!

[IronMan]

Ya dude that will be a perfect bulker only if you fucken EAT EAT and EAT some more

[GetSwullll]

Alright..then that it is. Yea man.i didn't eat good at all on my first cycle. But i def. will do things right this time. That's why i wanted to do it one more time. It's winter...so i just want as much mass as possible.

[IronMan]

Originally Posted by GetSwullll

Alright..then that it is. Yea man.i didn't eat good at all on my first cycle. But i def. will do things right this time. That's why i wanted to do it one more time. It's winter...so i just want as much mass as possible.

Theres the spirit you go out there and get fu**en huge brotha

[skullsmasher]

Originally Posted by IronMan

wk1-4 IGF
wk1-4 30mg d-bol
wk1-12 500mg TEST-E
wk1-12 400mg DECA
wk1-12 300mg EQ
wk8-12 IGF
WK12-15 100mg TEST PROP
WK12-15 50mg winni
16-19 PCTs
EAT EAT EAT like a mother F**cker:smoker:

I like the way you think

[GetSwullll]

Well I'm looking to put my order in next week. Just wanted to ask another slight question since this forum has been a life saver to me. I posted how my first cycle was (very sloppy but I'm still an amatuer)! I was thinking of just doing a Test with D-bol as a kicker instead of doing Test E and Deca. Money is kinda tight but I need to do this Xmas break when i can really eat and not be in school all day too. What do you think would be best for 10 weeks besides the d-bol for only first 4 weeks. Also throw your own combinations to me too please.

D-Bol & Sust 250?
D-bol & Test E?
D-bol & Andropen 275?

Thanks for all the advice and keep in mind its only my second cycle and might be my last. It's this..or weight all the way till summer when i have more money and time to throw in a bread and butter cycle with Deca. But i might do that either way.

Thanks..

[lil scrappy]

sust will get you big, but i like more somethinng like this man:

week1-5 anadrol 50mgs
week 1-12 test e 500mgs
week 1-12 eq 400mgs

i did this cycle and got huge i gained almost 35 pound and after pct i had kept about 28 pounds and was lean. i also had added winny for the last 6 weeks at doing 50mgs ed.

[GetSwullll]

That looks good man..but it's the money issue kinda holding me back from getting a stack of 3. That's why i was asking what would be the best Two supplements to stack with eacother?? Maybe lata if i do anothe cycle i can stack three..but right now i can only afford two once i get all my clomid and nova and stuff. So what do you think is the top 2 for gaining mass on a 2nd time around?

Originally Posted by lil scrappy

sust will get you big, but i like more somethinng like this man:

week1-5 anadrol 50mgs
week 1-12 test e 500mgs
week 1-12 eq 400mgs

i did this cycle and got huge i gained almost 35 pound and after pct i had kept about 28 pounds and was lean. i also had added winny for the last 6 weeks at doing 50mgs ed.

[K1]

Originally Posted by GetSwullll

That looks good man..but it's the money issue kinda holding me back from getting a stack of 3. That's why i was asking what would be the best Two supplements to stack with eacother?? Maybe lata if i do anothe cycle i can stack three..but right now i can only afford two once i get all my clomid and nova and stuff. So what do you think is the top 2 for gaining mass on a 2nd time around?

Well, if you are limited on cash, I suggest looking into the Stealth line. Best and cheapest injectables going right now!! As for a very cheap stack (assuming that you go through Alin-he has the best prices/gear around):
wk1-12 Test Enan 500mg/wk
wk1-10 Deca-Dura 400mg/wk
wk1-5 Dbol 30mg/ed (you can use Adrol or Tbol in place of the Dbol-your preference)
pct:
wk15 Clomid 100mg-Nolva 40mg/ed
wk16 Clomid 50mg-Nolva 30mg/ed
wk17 Clomid 50mg-Nolva 20mg/ed
This is a perfect second cycle, not too many mg's, just enough for great results! If your caloric intake is up and your training is dead on, you should gain some serious mass off this cycle!!!

[K1]

Originally Posted by IronMan

wk1-4 IGF
wk1-4 30mg d-bol
wk1-12 500mg TEST-E
wk1-12 400mg DECA
wk1-12 300mg EQ
wk8-12 IGF
WK12-15 100mg TEST PROP
WK12-15 50mg winni
16-19 PCTs
EAT EAT EAT like a mother F**cker:smoker:

This is a great cycle, but IMO, much too much for a second run. He would do great with just the Test and Deca with a kick start of Dbol, Tbol, or Adrol......

[lil scrappy]

The stealth line is very cheap and if your runing low on the flow then i would defintly check stealt line up i been hearing good things about it.

[GetSwullll]

Originally Posted by lil scrappy

The stealth line is very cheap and if your runing low on the flow then i would defintly check stealt line up i been hearing good things about it.

Yea..im gonna check out the stealth stuff. I've never messed with it but I'm gonna do
Deca
Test-E
D-bol

through them and hopefully get good results. I'm about 190 @ 11% body fat now. I want to be 215 in the end.

[lil scrappy]

good luck man i don't think you will have a problem reaching your goal with that cycle.