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In the Boston/Nick Thread, CG posted the following and I thought it warrants another thread as I have some insights I feel some people would benefit from.
"How many of you guys picked up on the 100iu Humalog upon returning from the gym? I have already mentioned this and it can be found in my previous post records. Alex Agzerion, who was my prep coach at the time told me about a huge Pro BBer in Cali that did the same exact thing. Walking in the door after training he would pin 100iu fast acting Humalog and proceed to drink three frozen blocks of OJ after they melted. This guy didn't take in any protein, EAA's, bcaa, whey.........nothing but OJ and then a pizza. Now I'm hearing it again. About a relatively smaller guy pounding on the flesh in a very short amount of time. I don't think they were talking about him doing anything other than carbs to offset as well?
I may be really diving off into the deep end but here we go.
Dan Duchaine spoke of a secondary channel steroids would take to enter cells at a gross saturation point, three grams comes to mind. Could there be a point that insulin REALLY starts working on a turbo charged level? All kidding aside, these pros are taking 100's of iu's of slin a day. But I guess the question is whats happening with such a over load? Does it shock and stretch the cells? Does the "shock and stretch" some how trip the cells into forming satalight cells to compensate for needing more room?
I don't want to start a bunch of talk about normal guys like us doing mad amounts of insulin. But I believe with zero doubt in my mind theres something going on at (X amounts insulin = cell synergy.
I've been meaning to bring this up but as you know it's been a little radio active lately. It also seams like what ever the hell I have to say about insulin is challenged across the board. That's fine with me and I should be challenged to prove my points. I just figured with all the low dosing talk and how "EVIL" insulin is when I start talking about doing HUGE amounts at one time this would set into motion the red fag and trip hazard crews..............."
Ok so thats what was said, and before we go any further (and I'm sure you would agree CG) that this is ALL taking into consideration a few things.
1. This shit isnt healthy (obviously) but is talking about PURE muscle tissue growth
2. There is no REAL science to back up anything that we are stating, only evidence from people that have tried it and seen the results
3. This is NOT something you start off at or something everyone needs...the fact of the matter is EVERTYHING NEEDS TO BE IN LINE BEFORE YOU CAN ATTEMPT THIS...you need to already be eating the crazy high amount of calories, taking in a higher anabolic intake, taking in a considerable amount of GH, etc.
OK SO with everything out in the open I wanted to share my personal experiences from learning directly from a close personal friend and "guinea pig" of Dan Duchaines. Essentially CG, you are onto the right idea. In terms of Dan Duchaine's Theory of post AR mediated growth, growth begins occurring through a new pathway after the 2-3g of total anabolics/androgenics range is reached (person dependent.) This same theory holds somewhat true with insulin and growth hormone. When you look at the pharmacology of these drugs, there is never going to be direct evidence supporting this but what was theorized to me was the cross-combination of AR saturation leading to AR up-regulation combined with supraphsyiological levels of testosterone, high estrogen, IGF1, etc actually causes an increase in our muscle cell's nuclei. We know muscle cells are multi-nucleic and that we can increase the number of nuclei through progressive overload in the gym, hyperemia, muscle damage, and pharmacology. So essentially if your training is TRULY progressive and you are TRULY putting yourself in an optimal growth environment WITH the proper nutrients to fuel anabolism and THEN add the insane pharmacology of Dan's theories, you essentially turn into a muscle building machine. I truly believe that this theory of extremely excessive anabolics/gh/insulin all work in conjunction like they typically would...but at such an excessive dosage work beyond the androgen receptor itself, beyond the muscle cell itself, so much so that it causes our bodies to adapt and create not only NEW muscle cells but MORE NUCLEI.
Again this is all theory and isnt meant to do anything other than spark discussion!
"How many of you guys picked up on the 100iu Humalog upon returning from the gym? I have already mentioned this and it can be found in my previous post records. Alex Agzerion, who was my prep coach at the time told me about a huge Pro BBer in Cali that did the same exact thing. Walking in the door after training he would pin 100iu fast acting Humalog and proceed to drink three frozen blocks of OJ after they melted. This guy didn't take in any protein, EAA's, bcaa, whey.........nothing but OJ and then a pizza. Now I'm hearing it again. About a relatively smaller guy pounding on the flesh in a very short amount of time. I don't think they were talking about him doing anything other than carbs to offset as well?
I may be really diving off into the deep end but here we go.
Dan Duchaine spoke of a secondary channel steroids would take to enter cells at a gross saturation point, three grams comes to mind. Could there be a point that insulin REALLY starts working on a turbo charged level? All kidding aside, these pros are taking 100's of iu's of slin a day. But I guess the question is whats happening with such a over load? Does it shock and stretch the cells? Does the "shock and stretch" some how trip the cells into forming satalight cells to compensate for needing more room?
I don't want to start a bunch of talk about normal guys like us doing mad amounts of insulin. But I believe with zero doubt in my mind theres something going on at (X amounts insulin = cell synergy.
I've been meaning to bring this up but as you know it's been a little radio active lately. It also seams like what ever the hell I have to say about insulin is challenged across the board. That's fine with me and I should be challenged to prove my points. I just figured with all the low dosing talk and how "EVIL" insulin is when I start talking about doing HUGE amounts at one time this would set into motion the red fag and trip hazard crews..............."
Ok so thats what was said, and before we go any further (and I'm sure you would agree CG) that this is ALL taking into consideration a few things.
1. This shit isnt healthy (obviously) but is talking about PURE muscle tissue growth
2. There is no REAL science to back up anything that we are stating, only evidence from people that have tried it and seen the results
3. This is NOT something you start off at or something everyone needs...the fact of the matter is EVERTYHING NEEDS TO BE IN LINE BEFORE YOU CAN ATTEMPT THIS...you need to already be eating the crazy high amount of calories, taking in a higher anabolic intake, taking in a considerable amount of GH, etc.
OK SO with everything out in the open I wanted to share my personal experiences from learning directly from a close personal friend and "guinea pig" of Dan Duchaines. Essentially CG, you are onto the right idea. In terms of Dan Duchaine's Theory of post AR mediated growth, growth begins occurring through a new pathway after the 2-3g of total anabolics/androgenics range is reached (person dependent.) This same theory holds somewhat true with insulin and growth hormone. When you look at the pharmacology of these drugs, there is never going to be direct evidence supporting this but what was theorized to me was the cross-combination of AR saturation leading to AR up-regulation combined with supraphsyiological levels of testosterone, high estrogen, IGF1, etc actually causes an increase in our muscle cell's nuclei. We know muscle cells are multi-nucleic and that we can increase the number of nuclei through progressive overload in the gym, hyperemia, muscle damage, and pharmacology. So essentially if your training is TRULY progressive and you are TRULY putting yourself in an optimal growth environment WITH the proper nutrients to fuel anabolism and THEN add the insane pharmacology of Dan's theories, you essentially turn into a muscle building machine. I truly believe that this theory of extremely excessive anabolics/gh/insulin all work in conjunction like they typically would...but at such an excessive dosage work beyond the androgen receptor itself, beyond the muscle cell itself, so much so that it causes our bodies to adapt and create not only NEW muscle cells but MORE NUCLEI.
Again this is all theory and isnt meant to do anything other than spark discussion!