GETDIESEL said:
Hey first off you guys rock thanks for the info!!
Im 225 11% BF at 6'0 tall 25 years old
Been training for 6 years non stop
Yeah first cycle was worthless... and the guy giving advice was too. To tell you the truth I gained 15lbs... and kept 10lbs ...body fat went up 2%. Done lots of research but still was a little unclear. He takes no protection just test and eq. But I don't even associate with him anymore. Anyways
My goal is too be 225 at 6% or so..... so wanted to bulk up a little then cut it up. Since 11% isn't high... that was the plan. Maybe a test and something else to shed the fat?? Winstrol??
Thought about Anavar with the test. Hear its supposed to help with water retention and help to look a little tighter
You mentioned another oral....such as decca or d-bol?? I know the more you take the higher the risk of estrogen problems. But definitaly want to make the best of the cycle.
I Understand HCG if I have shrinkage. I heard a many say to do it toward end of cycle to jump start own production??
Then some say 500iu every week so wasnt sure
I know all about gyno and definitaly dont want that. So the Ai should be taken from the begining and nolvadex 2 weeks after last shot with clomid.. dosages listed above?? I've also heard many say nolva from beggining so once again was unsure.
And yeah any other simple cycle examples always help.
Thanks again for your time and insight
Now I know the above you sound good to go.
As this is more or less your first cycle you only need test but I would defo add in an oral. It all depends upon your exact goals. You add dbol if you wanna put on some serious bulk. I don't think you need that.
I personally love orals and find I gain best with them. So with test (best muscle builder around) you should either add other injectable such as eq, mast, primo, deca etc... or an oral such as avar, tbol, winny, primo, dbol etc.
As you are new to this I would personally keep it nice and simple. I would do test e or c with an oral. Thats all you need. For future ref you could look at cycles the way I do. Basically now all my cycles are gonna consist of 2 injectables and 1 oral, or maybe 1/2 injecables with 1 or 2 orals (ensuring 4 weeks gap in between different orals cos they can be liver toxic). So examples of possible cycles for me could be-
Test
Mast
Tbol
Test
Deca
Dbol
Test
Tren
Avar
Test
Dbol first 4 weeks
Winny last 4 weeks
etc etc
You should only use 2 compounds though. Just keep it simple. Look at the above when you are on maybe your 3rd or 4th cycle. There is no real need in taking anymore than 3 main compounds (excluding add ons)... although many do.
Before I say these I should mention there are 1001 ways to do it.
Anyway for you I would do one of the following-
Test E or C at 500mg per week for 11 weeks
Turinabol at 40mg per day for 6 weeks
Test E or C at 500mg per week for 11 weeks
Anavar at 60mg per day for 7-8 weeks
Test E or C at 400-500mg per week for 12 weeks
Eq at 300-400mg per week for 12 weeks
Test E or C at 400-500mg per week for 12 weeks
Mast E at 300-400mg per week for 12 weeks
Test E or C at 400-500mg per week for 12 weeks
Deca at 300mg per week for 12 weeks
The usual protocol is to use test for a further week over the other injectable but it doesn't matter too much. If you decide to use deca or Eq you really need to be on them atleast 12 weeks. It is wise to taper down slightly in the final few weeks... so something like 500 to 350 to 200 to 50 (example for test taper).
Basically just keep it simple and use a good test at 500mg and just one addition. Your best looking at the ones I listed above. Your right to look at avar but it can be very expensvie. Tbol is cheaper. A simple explantion is tbol is dbol without the water weight. Avar is more for strength and hardness and won't put on size... but you have test for that. But the tbol will put on size but it will be quality gains. Whereas dbol will make you feel great but you might blimp up and alot of your gains will be water. I have just done a tbol only cycle to see what ithe compound was like and I was very impressed... it does take time to feel the full effects though. Dbol I found great but for your aims it is not really needed. Avar is a light oral and tbol is abit harsh and then dbol is very harsh.. adrol is the worst and just carries far too much water (still great though when I tried it!). The harshness is also interms of liver toxicity. Avar is fairly light but tbol and dbol are harsh. If you do them for 4-5 weeks you will be cool. It's when you go slightly above it becomes harsh. Just keep it fairly short (max of 6 weeks).
So yeah go with test and tbol or test and an injectbale such as mast, eq, primo etc.
Get arimidex for protection during.
You can take HCG for the start of PCT. But you would have to make sure you have about 3 weeks of nolva usage after your last inj of HCG. I would just take it during your cycle. 500IU every weeks is just so much easier cos they do shrink and it feels weird so I would rather just maintain as opposed to going tiny and then making them huge within a week or so. It is up2 you though. If you decide to take it at the end
(I wouldn't) then your best starting around the time of your last test e inj. You could do 500-1000IU every few days maybe 3 or 4 times. Then start you PCT as normal... remember the HCG has an active life of about 5 days. Then you do your 3 weeks of clomid and 4 weeks of nolva. I done that approach last cycle. I done that 4 weeks in and then 8 and then just before the end... so having little periods of HCG usage. Like I said the weekly one is just easier and better imo.
I think that is everything covered. You sound like you are fairly planned out.
Just don't do what most do and start your cycle without receiving all the things you need! Most people get lost with the HCG and the clomid etc. Like I said I use them when I need them (except clomid and nolva they are just a complete must) but they are all essential to have for all cycles. I am gonna wait to start my next cycle cos I need adex cos I will be doing test, mast and dbol. That is alot of water so it is not worth the risk of starting without good protection.
Goodluck with your cycle and if you need any other info just ask away and someone will be glad to help.