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Cannons said:If he does it right he'll get good results. What kind of experience does he have? 35mg ed for 4 weeks, with a good diet, 1.5-2g protien per lb of bodyweight. Make sure you have anti-e's, nolvadex on hand in case of gyno. If you have an aromatase inhibitor, like arimidex, femara, or aromasin, take during cycle at the low doses (adex .25 ed, femara 1.5 eod, aromasin 12.5 eod). Take nolvadex the day after last tabs are taken for 3-4 weeks, start with 40mg per day 1st week, 30mg per day second week, 20mg third, 20mg fourth if you go four weeks. He'll lose water at the end, but if all is well he could keep 15lbs of it. Probably ends up to 6-8lbs of muscle gained. I've done something similar, my first cycle and gained about 30lbs, kept about 15-20 after it was all said and done (not all muscle). I probably gained 10lbs of muscle. Try to persuade him into not doing it though, its not the greatest idea.
Cannons said:If he does it right he'll get good results. What kind of experience does he have? 35mg ed for 4 weeks, with a good diet, 1.5-2g protien per lb of bodyweight. Make sure you have anti-e's, nolvadex on hand in case of gyno. If you have an aromatase inhibitor, like arimidex, femara, or aromasin, take during cycle at the low doses (adex .25 ed, femara 1.5 eod, aromasin 12.5 eod). Take nolvadex the day after last tabs are taken for 3-4 weeks, start with 40mg per day 1st week, 30mg per day second week, 20mg third, 20mg fourth if you go four weeks. He'll lose water at the end, but if all is well he could keep 15lbs of it. Probably ends up to 6-8lbs of muscle gained. I've done something similar, my first cycle and gained about 30lbs, kept about 15-20 after it was all said and done (not all muscle). I probably gained 10lbs of muscle. Try to persuade him into not doing it though, its not the greatest idea.
illinios said:He is a very serious workout freak but doesnt like needles so this is the only substance he will be taking. Dont u think 35 to 40 mg a day is a little high for a first timer. He is a skinny guy 5 10 150lbs so do u think gyno will even be a problem. Also why would he take nolva after his cycle? He also was concerned about his balls but i told him not to worry about it, should he?
TexasCreed said:Exactly, these type of people, maybe not you directly bro, but this is what sarge was talking about people giving bad advice and not knowing what to do.
imdaman1 said:Ok - before Sarge gets here.....
I agree with what he said about the dumbies giving bad advice. That crap needs to stop.
There is a difference here, though. I don't see anybody giving this guy bad advice. He has made a bad decision and Im assuming that he is a grown man....so he's entitled to make bad decisions if he wants.
Its not our problem!
Shouldn't we still help the guy get through it as safely and effectively as possible?
Keep in mind that many have had great success with dbol-only.
mr.nitrofish said:I don't think he's looking for advice, rather he's just wondering what will happen to his friend.
illinios said:i am just trying to help out a friend. i have only done 2 cycles and he asked me for advice and i only get advice from you guys. i am just going to tell him dbol 30mg first week, 20mg second week, 10mg 3 and 4th week and nolva during cycle. should i tell him anything about pct?
illinios said:i am just trying to help out a friend. i have only done 2 cycles and he asked me for advice and i only get advice from you guys. i am just going to tell him dbol 30mg first week, 20mg second week, 10mg 3 and 4th week and nolva during cycle. should i tell him anything about pct?
illinios said:He is a very serious workout freak but doesnt like needles so this is the only substance he will be taking. Dont u think 35 to 40 mg a day is a little high for a first timer. He is a skinny guy 5 10 150lbs so do u think gyno will even be a problem. Also why would he take nolva after his cycle? He also was concerned about his balls but i told him not to worry about it, should he?
illinios said:Also why would he take nolva after his cycle?
illinios said:should i tell him anything about pct?
illinios said:He also was concerned about his balls but i told him not to worry about it, should he?
illinios said:i am just trying to help out a friend. i have only done 2 cycles and he asked me for advice and i only get advice from you guys. i am just going to tell him dbol 30mg first week, 20mg second week, 10mg 3 and 4th week and nolva during cycle. should i tell him anything about pct?