First of bro....Any sup that tries to sound like real gear is lame in my book (Maxteron sounds like Masteron which is a real AAS). Secondly, if I can't see the list of ingredients on the bottle, I aint buying it. There are lots of herbal sups that are great (Tribulus, Avena Sativa, etc) but when a company makes a product and says "This shit is the bomb" and then doesent tell you what's in the bottle no way. Lastly, comes price....As we saw with prohormones, many of them (ErgoPharm's norandrodiol as an example) costed more than the hormones they were precursers for (norandrodiol converted to Nandrolone which is Deca.) Bottom line, there are no natural or breakthrough products that can replace gear, only supplement it. I use Nutrex Vitrex for natural Test stimulation, and a product called Lipo 6 to aid in cutting.