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Mystery Fatloss

Enigmatic707

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So just a random thread about some body fat I've been dropping-


So a lil background...

I have been more or less cruising on Test and Tren 300/200 of each. Also taking 75 mg of Winny once daily in the am before my workouts.

Diet has been a lil cleaner as of late but nothing really substantial, have been upping my total calories but still very clean none the less.

So the point here is that in the past weeks I've definitely gained some size, but surprisingly I've lost a good amount of fat in some of my harder to lose areas- ie chest and belly.

The only thing I've switched up as far as supps or drugs is I've added 5mg of Yohimbine hcl to my pre workout formula.

I know my body quite well and this fat loss is a bit strange cause its significant and I have done absolutely zero cardio other than what I do daily when I teach boxing and MMA-

The only thing I can think of is the high dose of Yohimbine hcl-? I only take it for the drive and energy during my workouts. I've used it on and off for years in the past but haven't touched it in maybe five years before recently.

Anyone else play with high doses of Yohimbine and experience similar results? I know that Tren serves as an agonist to the Beta1 reseptors and that Yohimbine does as well, but also serves as an "antagonist" to the beta3 I am wondering if by chance that my supplementing of Yohimbine is causing the Tren to work as a stronger agonist to the Beta1 thus leading to more of the "fat burning Tren effect"
 

Ironbuilt

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Winny effects are in play.. yohimbe does have fat burning capabiltys in the perfect conditons so maybe u finally woke up the fat god u built in your gut with junk food in previous years ¿ keep it up ...
 

Enigmatic707

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Winny effects are in play.. yohimbe does have fat burning capabiltys in the perfect conditons so maybe u finally woke up the fat god u built in your gut with junk food in previous years ¿ keep it up ...

I've been hitting the Winny for like 6 weeks... This only started to happen right when the Yohimbine was added.
 

Thor

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TREN and winny...

are real good (with proper diet) for fat loss, I just started taking Yohimbe also. stuff feels like baby clen, makes me slightly shaky...could also be that the winny is really starting to work its magic, honestly for me tren + winny leans me out nicely, I am not on either ATM but just wanna see how Yohimbe affects me. Keep us posted on your fat loss...
 

AtomAnt

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I LOVE YOHIMBINE!!!! I take it year round and attribute that to being able to stay lean. I will go super high with it when actually dieting. The only effect is some anxiety for me at high doses. But yohimbine + clen + ephedrine + caffeine = moneyshot for fat loss.

Hey, I have been having trouble finding a reliable place for ephedrine...anyone help me out? PM please
 

vikingquest

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You use yohimbine hcl or yohimbine or yohimbe? I get so confused about those and don't know it it means a shit or not. Thanks in advance.
 

Enigmatic707

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The difference between Yohimbine and Yohimbine HCL is that the HCL is a pure standardized molecular form. As opposed to an extract that's concentrated to deliver a given amount.

Example is

Yohimbine (bark extract) typical dose is 200mg

Yohimbine HCL is 2.5mg

So one is roughly 100x stronger
 

vikingquest

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The difference between Yohimbine and Yohimbine HCL is that the HCL is a pure standardized molecular form. As opposed to an extract that's concentrated to deliver a given amount.

Example is

Yohimbine (bark extract) typical dose is 200mg

Yohimbine HCL is 2.5mg

So one is roughly 100x stronger

Thanks, Enigmatic. I appreciate the info.
 

AnaSCI

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Lol..

Mods can we get a erase and banned please isle 5 ? Lol same spam on nuclears filter question thread...

Guys it would be a lot easier dealing with spammers if everyone did not comment or quote the posts made by them. We end up having to go through half a dozen posts instead of just getting rid of the spam post.

Please just hit the report button, do not comment or quote the spam post.

Thank you!
 

AtomAnt

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The difference between Yohimbine and Yohimbine HCL is that the HCL is a pure standardized molecular form. As opposed to an extract that's concentrated to deliver a given amount.

Example is

Yohimbine (bark extract) typical dose is 200mg

Yohimbine HCL is 2.5mg

So one is roughly 100x stronger

Big E, not only this, but with the herbal formula (not hcl) you have to have a reliable company that is getting good ingredients to create the extract. Sometimes the standardization is off so you don't know what you are getting.
 

tripletotal

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I LOVE YOHIMBINE!!!! I take it year round and attribute that to being able to stay lean. I will go super high with it when actually dieting. The only effect is some anxiety for me at high doses. But yohimbine + clen + ephedrine + caffeine = moneyshot for fat loss.

Hey, I have been having trouble finding a reliable place for ephedrine...anyone help me out? PM please

Wow, Atom! I love stims, but that sounds like a fucking heart attack to me!

Side note: yohimbe/yohimbine/yohimbine hcl are also a potent aphrodisiacs, capable of intensifying the pleasure of sex for both men and women, increasing erection hardness and frequency, and sensitizing the clitoris. It's seriously good shit
 

Enigmatic707

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Here's a good write up from an old buddy of mine from my MindandMuscle.net days

It is from 1fast400 by David Tolson





1. What is yohimbine?

Yohimbine is an alkaloid found in the inner bark of a tree that grows in southern Africa, Corynanthe yohimbe. Yohimbe has been used for centuries as an aphrodisiac, and alkaloids derived from this tree have been studied in depth. Yohimbine is now used primarily in veterinary medicine and in the treatment of erectile dysfunction, and it may also be useful in the treatment of obesity.

2. What application does yohimbine have?

Yohimbine has not been researched as thoroughly in the area of fat loss as many other weight loss aids, especially where clinical trials are concerned, but the existing data is promising. A 3-week study in 1991 on 20 obese females on 1000 calorie diets found that 20 mg of yohimbine daily increased weight loss 3 lbs. over placebo (1). Multiple studies have found that yohimbine increases the amount of non-esterfied fatty acids (NEFAs), a product of lipolysis (the breaking down of fat), in the bloodstream in both lean and obese individuals (2, 3), and that this effect persists for at least 14 days, indicating that rapid tolerance does not develop (4). Yohimbine is also an appetite suppressant, and decreases energy intake in both lean and obese mice (5).

3. How does yohimbine work?

Yohimbine works by blocking alpha(2) adrenoreceptors. There are a number of feedback mechanisms that prevent the release of norepinephrine (NE), one of the body's primary lipolytic hormones. When NE is released, such as in periods of stress or after taking a sympathomimetic (such as ephedrine), it stimulates both the alpha and beta adrenoreceptors. Stimulation of the beta adrenoreceptors causes the breakdown of fat while stimulating the alpha(2) adrenoreceptors has the opposite effect, preventing the release of NE and lipolysis. Yohimbine prevents this negative feedback mechanism, thus increasing NE release and lipolysis.

There are a number of reasons why alpha(2) inhibition is specifically useful. First, while the beta-adrenergic system primarily controls lipolysis during periods of intense activity, during rest, which makes up most of our day, the alpha-adrenergic system is in control (6, 7). Also, "stubborn fat" areas – usually the abdominal area in men and the glutofemoral area in women – contain a higher ratio of alpha(2) receptors (7), making yohimbine particularly effective in these areas (whereas other drugs that increase NE may be somewhat counterproductive). Finally, alpha(2) blockade increases blood flow in adipose tissue (7), which prevents fat from being retained in the area (8).

3. What other benefits does yohimbine have?

Aside from being a fat loss agent, yohimbine is well known as a sexual stimulant. Studies indicate that it increases copulatory behavior and reduces sexual exhaustion in male rats (9, 10). A recent review of the literature found that yohimbine, especially in combination with drugs that facilitate the action of nitric oxide, is effective in the treatment of male erectile dysfunction (11), and a study in women found yohimbine combined with L-arginine glutamate to increase sexual arousal in women with sexual arousal disorder (12). Yohimbine also slightly raises serum testosterone levels in men (13).

4. What are the side effects of yohimbine?

Anxiety is the most common side effect seen with yohimbine, especially higher doses, and for this reason it should not be used by individuals prone to panic attacks or with stress-related disorders (14, 15). Other common side effects are increased heart rate and blood pressure, although these do not appear to be a problem at the doses used for weight loss (2, 3). Other side effects associated with elevated levels of NE, such as insomnia, can also be expected. All of these side effects disappear after termination of use (11).

5. What form of yohimbine is best?

Yohimbine is available as an herbal yohimbe extract or pure yohimbine HCl, and it is also found in some topical fat loss solutions. Yohimbe extracts contain a variety of alkaloids, and yohimbine only makes up 10-15% of the alkaloids present (16). The activity of many of these alkaloids is not well known, and some of them may have toxic effects (there are many reports that yohimbe is an MAOI), which makes pure yohimbine HCl both a safer and more consistent alternative. For those wishing to deliver a higher quantity to a specific "trouble area" without the side effects of systemic delivery, topical solutions (such as Lipoderm-Y) are effective (17).

6. How should yohimbine be taken?

The dosage of .2 mg/kg (approximately 1 mg per 10 lbs.) per day is relatively free of side effects and effective for weight loss (2, 3), while .1 mg/kg is more commonly used for sexual stimulant effects. For fat loss, yohimbine is generally taken twice daily, in the morning and afternoon. It is best taken on an empty stomach, as taking it with a meal can reduce its lipolytic effects (3). The half-life of yohimbine is short (1-2 hours), but the half-life of a metabolite with similar activity, 11-hydroxy-yohimbine, is 6-8 hours (18), so it is not necessary to take it every 2 hours. It is best to start with half the dose or less to see how sensitive you are to yohimbine, as inter-individual bioavailability and tolerance can vary greatly.

7. What are some good supplements to take with yohimbine?

As covered above, arginine and other NO enhancers may operate synergistically with yohimbine as a sexual stimulant. It is also probably synergistic with caffeine for fat loss through PDE inhibition.

A possible synergism between yohimbine and ephedrine hasn't been thoroughly explored, and the information that exists is somewhat contradictory. In theory, they should work well together as yohimbine blocks one of the negative feedback mechanisms that would normally make ephedrine less effective. Cell culture studies confirm that yohimbine increases the lipolytic effects of beta(3) agonists (19). However, a study using rats indicated that yohimbine blocked the effects of the same beta(3) agonist, indicating that the two may antagonize each other (19). Additionally, a study on cardiovascular variables found that ephedrine and caffeine together were safe, but the addition of yohimbine may produce undesirable effects (20). So it is still unknown whether the combination of yohimbine and ephedrine produces any additional benefit, and whether it is justified by the potential dangers