No I love tren, just hate jabbing everyday. I usually run tren-a at 50 mg ed I may go a tad higher in the future. But what I'm asking is since tren-e is a long ester, how much of that should I take to equal 50 mg released a day. I was asking about the winny bc I've never done it. I have a bottle of Clen and didn't know if I should even bother with winny but I may give it a shot