kell11 said:
Couldve been a combo of the ephedra and clen
orals effeect pulmonary-
whats your blood pressure greg?
had any labs done lately?
this shit is not NOT dangerous if your not fully informed
nothing with the chest should be taken lightly when using AAS...period
I agree.....Ephedrine can be dangerous. I'd lower the dose or cut out ephed for a while. If possible, check your BP an hour or so after ephed. and before or during lifting. ie. even if your resting BP is normal, it may be very high on ephed, while straining.
- As for improving breathing....that's be more with clen., as it is a beta 2 agonist. Ephedrine is a combined indirect catecholamine agonist (ie. causes the release of your own catechols..like epinephrine and norepinephrine) and has some direct effects on alpha and beta receptors directly. Thus, unlike clen, ephedrine can raise your BP a lot, due to the alpha-adrenergic stimulation and resulting vasoconstriction but is not a particularly great bronchodilator. As well, the increase HR, etc. can cause problems with your heart by increasing rate (increased myocardial demand) and increased afterload and wall tension due to the vasoconstriction. Net result.....you can have a heart attack (myocardial infarction) even with normal coronary arteries. The other classic drug to do this is cocaine, for similar reasons. Also, the high BP can result in stroke, etc.
If you are having chest pain that resolves with rest or headaches, blurred vision, I'd stop it immediately. If you're over 40 and a big guy, bad family history, etc. also not a bad idea to get checked out with an ECG, etc. sometime, best during the chest pain.
Re: the headaches....yeah, withdrawal is the same mechanism as with caffeine. THe ephed and caffeine vasoconstrict the blood vessels in your brain (which is why caffeine and other ergot alkaloids can treat migraines), and if you go off, you get rebound vasodilation and a headache. However....if you are getting headaches frequently or while on ephed, it may well be very high BP causing it...this would be a true hypertensive urgency / emergency and cannot be taken lightly. See my prior post about the guy that blew his thoracic aorta apart last year on ECA.
In addition, if you're on things like tren that are known to increase BP, be even more careful. Aside from high BP, AAS and growth hormone (as seen in acromegaly) also promote premature development of coronary artery disease, putting you at further risk. And, as with a prior post in the past week or two, the rapid development of muscle on AAS puts a lot of stress on the heart because of the increased blood flow required to perfuse those highly metabolic muscles. Often the increase is so quick that normal adaptation of the heart is not possible, so you feel short of breath, maybe chest pain, etc.
Also, as kell mentioned....what are some recent labs? Any change in urine output too? Renal failure can also lead to fluid retention and resultant high BP.
Sounds like you need to take a break for a bit. That's my .02.
