Want to add deca and long cycle

[smikey211]

got a question... Running test at 750mg/week for three weeks now... just made a little extra cash so I wanted to add some deca.... what is the best way to add deca and run like a 20 week cycle with hcg therapy aroung week ten or twelve?

 

[smikey211]

How about this?

So how does this sound?
2nd cycle- 25 yrs old--- 150 lbs


Weeks 1-20 750mg/week Enanthate
Weeks 4-16 600mg/week Deca
Weeks 10-14 5000iu/week HCG

PCT Starting week 22 Clomid/Nolva

 

[tee]

IMO, your doses are too high and the duration of the cycle is too long. I would cut the test to 500mg, Deca 400mg and the length to 12 weeks. Also, I hope you meant 500ius of HCG a week, not 5000.

 

[smikey211]

Also, I hope you meant 500ius of HCG a week, not 5000.

from profile HCG.....Please clearify
Athlete should iniect one HCG ampule (5000 I.U.) every 5 days.Since the testosterone level, as explained, remains considerably elevated for several days, it is unnecessary to inject HCG more than once every 5 days. The relative dose is at the discretion of the athlete and should be determined based on the duration of his previous steroid intake and on the strength of the various steroid compounds. Athletes who take steroids for more than three months and athletes who use primarily the highly androgenic steroids such as Anadrol,Sustanon Cypionate , Dianabol (D-bol), etc. should take a relatively high dosage. The effective dosage for athletes is usually 2000-5000 I.U. per injection and should-as already mentioned-be injected every 5 days. HCG should only be taken for a 4 weeks maximum.

 

[tee]

Sorry, I assumed you were taking it throughout the cycle and not just at the end. Thats fine, but taking it throughout the cycle in a lower dose seems to work better from Dr. John's monitoring of both ways. Here is his article below. He's a dickhead, but he knows his stuff. If you want to take it later in your cycle instead, I would go with 500ius ED, up to 100ius ED tops. These doses are sufficient to avoid/rectify testicular atrophy without increasing estrogen levels too much and risking gyno. This dosing schedule also avoids the risk of permanently down-regulating the LH receptors in the testes. I always use the lowest dose possible that works when dealing with HCG.

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I advise my AAS patients to use small amounts of HCG (250IU to 500IU) two days each week, right from the beginning of the cycle. This serves to maintain testicular form and function. It makes more sense to me to keep the horse in the barn, so to speak, then to have to chase it across three counties later on. I am also a big fan of maintaining estrogen within physiological ranges. Both therapies have been shown to hasten recovery.

Any more than 500IU of HCG per day causes too much aromatase activity. Some feel aromatase is actually toxic to the Leydig cells of the testes. You are then inducing primary hypogonadism (which is permanent) while treating steroid-induced secondary (hypogonadotrophic) hypogonadism (which is temporary--hopefully).

If 250IU or 500IU on two days each week isn’t enough to stave off testicular atrophy, then I recommend using it more days each week (as opposed to taking larger doses). In fact, I wouldn’t mind having a guy use 250IU per day ALL THROUGH the cycle. Those that have tell me they thus avoid that edgy, burned-out feeling they usually get. They also say they simply feel better each day. Subjective reports, to be sure, but they are hard not to appreciate. Especially when HCG is so inexpensive.

The testes are then ready, willing and able to again produce testosterone at the end of the cycle. LH levels rise fairly rapidly, but endogenous testosterone production is limited by lack of use. I also want to make sure a SERM, such as Clomid or Nolvadex, is at effective serum dosage (around 100mg QD for Clomid, 20-40mg QD for Nolvadex) when serum androgen levels drop to a concentration roughly equal to 200mg of testosterone per week. That is when androgenic inhibition at the HP no longer dominates over estrogenic antagonism with respect to inducing LH production. Of course, if the fellow has been doing Clomid or Nolvadex all along the way (and I now prefer Nolvadex over Clomid, due to the possibility of negative sides from the Clomid), he is all set to simply continue it at the end (no need to switch from one to the other). BTW, I see no evidence of any benefit in using BOTH SERM’s at the same time. I used to think a couple of weeks of the SERM was enough; now I like to see an entire month after the last shot of AAS (and migration of long to short esters as the cycle matures). Tapering the SERM is probably a good idea during the last week, as well.

I want my patients to stop taking HCG within a week after the end of the cycle. The testosterone production it induces will further inhibit recovery, as will using Androgel, or any other testosterone preparation, while in recovery. There is no escaping this, as there is no such thing as a “bridge”. Just because you are not inhibiting the HPTA for the entire 24 hours does not mean you are not suppressing it at all. IOW, you can’t “fool” the body—it is smarter than you are.

I like Arimidex during the cycle (in fact, consider use of an AI while taking aromatisables a necessity) but it ABSOLUTELY should not be used post cycle (even though it has been shown to increase LH production) because the risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile, is too great (this also drives libido back into the ground—and we don’t want that, do we?).

All this is meant to get my guys through recovery as fast as possible (the real goal, yes?). So far, all of them who have tried it have reported they are recovering faster than when they have tried other protocols.

 

[X-Spectrum]

from profile HCG.....Please clearify
Athlete should iniect one HCG ampule (5000 I.U.) every 5 days.Since the testosterone level, as explained, remains considerably elevated for several days, it is unnecessary to inject HCG more than once every 5 days. The relative dose is at the discretion of the athlete and should be determined based on the duration of his previous steroid intake and on the strength of the various steroid compounds. Athletes who take steroids for more than three months and athletes who use primarily the highly androgenic steroids such as Anadrol,Sustanon Cypionate , Dianabol (D-bol), etc. should take a relatively high dosage. The effective dosage for athletes is usually 2000-5000 I.U. per injection and should-as already mentioned-be injected every 5 days. HCG should only be taken for a 4 weeks maximum.

Please do not take more than 1000 IU every 3 days. A 5000 IU injection is harsh enough to cause serious damage.