janoshik
AnaSCI Approved Tester
OK, so I was going to add this on to the "Thoughts on HGH" thread, but I have a feeling this thread may be a keeper, I thought I would start a new thread. Way more people use Anabolics than HGH so, let us use this thread to explore the multitude of issues with Steroid use, and bounce some of these questions off my friend Jano. I will preface the discussion by saying I am far from an expert, but like you all, I have my opinions. I'm sure that Jano will say that he is not an "expert" either but, I'm curious what his thoughts are on the subject.
Let me start by asking the first question, while forming the question with my personal beliefs.
I was listening to the RX Muscle series called, Ask Dave. He was saying that he believed the "Sweet Spot" for weekly Testosterone injections was 1000ml. I was surprised by that. It seems to me that the popular answer is, 500-750ml/week.
My question for Jano is:
What dosage do you think is the level where, above that, a person may be putting their health in jeopardy?
I believe the level is proportionate to a persons genetic ability to stay healthy. What I mean is, some people have a propensity for poor health. For this person, maybe abstaining from Steroid use is the answer. Other people are never sick a day in their life, maybe they can handle the higher dosages.
Your thoughts?
By the way, this question is directed to everyone.
First I gotta say is that everything I'd say was already here by Sully - even the disclaimer
To answer your question directly -
In regard to testosterone, I believe that anybody is putting their health in jeopardy and sacrificing at least a little bit of long term well-being if they run gram or more - regardless of their bloodwork and feeling.
there are changes that are not detected by either and it's simply as it is. Is is more harmful than common vices? Probably not.
There are of course people, for whom 250 will be too much already, but there are no people who can say that 1000 does nothing negative is what I'm trying to say.
And we all will remember all the blasts we've ever done, when we have to take a piss 20 times a night as we get older, and wonder if we didn't speed it up a good few years.
To add a few personal anecdotes (as there really is nothing to add to Sully's and other's posts) -
I have ran test at 1-1.5 grams and maintained perfect bloods and BP of 120/80. Was a great blast and I got long-term gains out of it - significantly more than from 750. I'd go as far as to say that's the sweet spot I'm able to utilize well.
My neighbor who we used to call tiny Steve, because he was weighing a bit over 300 pounds and benching over 500, felt like dying on 500 test, with all his blood markers going down the shitter deeper than they already were. On the other hand running 1 gram of tren only he pretty much maintained both his BP and blood markers for a good while.
It's all individual and if someone has easy answers to questions like that, I'd be vary.
I'd also like to say, that I don't believe in resets that Concreteguy advocates.
As far as I know, using anabolics actually makes you MORE sensitive to anabolics (even your own test) - even in long term.
I'm sure some study could be dug up, but unfortunately I don't have the time to look it up, so you are free to consider this input of mine irrelevant.
I'd attribute pros using extremely high dosage more to diminishing returns and the fact hey already hold absurd amounts of mass than to "desentitization."
5 grams of test won't be 5 times better than 1 gram, but if they are 10% better it gives them the edge necessary to win.
They also need more anabolics just to maintain the mass they have.
In my opinion b&c (with cruise being REAL cruise dosages < 250mg/wk) is less detrimental to health than going off with or without PCT and then hopping back on.