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Bigger by the day - 10-23-2018, 10:11 PM

Just having fun with the title Time to grow and I will use this thread to go over everything I do. I have been off all drugs (no trt) for 2 months and have done fine. Whilst I don't recommend it I personally do it for a mental break. I ate like a normal person but still trained very hard. Most days I had 3 meals and a small snack or 2 and no more than 150g protein ever. I ate clean most of the time. Although I would have 1 large meal most days (approx 150g carbs) usually in the form of granoli/muesli, greek yoghurt with dates and blueberries.

I am fairly lean and haven't lost too much size but got softer (a lot) in the lower abs. But this thread is not about how much I can change in the first few weeks so I am not gonna even post starting pics. I will post pics a long the way to show progress and how big I can get.

Everything will be very basic and geared towards increasing food and strength over time. Nothing is set in stone but my diet will start like this...

1- Oats with chocolate peanut butter whey and chopped banana mixed in.
2- Beef with basmati rice or potatoes.
3- Synthepure or whey isolate 97 shake made with 2 apples, 1 kiwi, selection of frozen berries, oats, spinach or kale and water.
4- Beef with basmati rice or potatoes.
5- Synthepure or whey isolate 97 shake made with 2 apples, 1 kiwi, selection of frozen berries, oats, spinach or kale and water.
6- 6 whole eggs and maybe some nut butter.

On training days I will add an intra shake of approx 100 carbs (HCBD), 30g EAA's and various other things.

Treats (whenever I want) will be in the form of...

Greek Yoghurt on top of muesli/granola cereal, blueberries, dates and dried blackcurrants. This is about 150g carbs.

Chinese... something like shrimp/chicken with seasonal vegetables and steamed rice (so not bad at all).

I may add one of the above in fairly frequently and will just replace a meal from the list above. The greek yoghurt meal I like to have post workout simply because it's loaded in carbs and plenty of sugar from the dates. I may also add in more fruit such as grapes post workout.

When I increase food I may add in another meal or just make some larger. Thinking ahead loading those shakes up even more could be a simple way of doing it for me.

I was going to do a push/pull/legs routine but I decided just to do whatever I want. So I listen to my body and pick what I want each day but it will follow a similar pattern. Basically I like mixing upper and lower sometimes so why I decided to change things. Therefore one day could be shoulders and quads then the next back and hamstring. Then I could do push, pull, legs over 3 days.

Most importantly I will be trying to get as strong as fucking possible. I will be in the gym approx 5 days per week and training relatively high volume. I will train every bodypart twice in no more than about 8 days.

I am starting this a bit later than planned so decided to add some orals in at the start. Originally I was going to start injs very low and build up but I have started higher than originally planned. I started a few days ago and currently on...

315mg test e per week
315mg deca per week®
350mg primo e per week
50mg adrol per day
25mg dbol per day
2-4iu hgh per day
2ml syntheselen pre workout

I am injecting 0.3ml test and deca with 1ml primo eod. The orals I dose pre workout when I train. My plan over time is to move up test and deca to 0.4ml so 420mg then later the test to 0.5ml (525mg). I will also up the primo to 150mg eod then to a max dose of 2ml eod. So my max doses will likely be...

525mg test e
420mg deca
700mg primo e

Currently no AI's but I will add in aromasin in a few weeks. I started adrol/dbol to get my size back fast as I want to be big for Christmas I will keep to 1 tab of each for about 4 weeks and in the future will use them again to break a plateau. After a few days the changes are great. The hgh is already making me tired so I backed down to 2iu. I also have 10mg genotec mk-677 which I will throw in a few days per week. With the gh boosters I will go on feel as they are both very strong. I want my body to adapt to the fatigue but I am extra sensitive so just seeing how I get on. I will try to stay on 4iu per day for as long as I can though.

I may add in insulin later on but not too bothered. If I do it will probably be around training and not at a high dose.

Syntheselen will be started 2moro and dosed pre workout and used to help combat the hgh fatigue.

I will also be using syntherol throughout and I will detail how I do that in later posts. I don't care about inches but if I can get to 21 inch arms by the end of this I will be happy.

This thread is me going for it so hopefully we can expect some big changes.


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10-23-2018, 10:58 PM

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Thumbs up go brother go!!!!! - 10-24-2018, 10:19 AM

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..very interesting, wish i had more time to write, but one question that comes to mind is ..why not the "HIGH TEST" route for max size?


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I was expecting to see RICH PIANA with that title! Seriously though very cool to see your diet and AAS regimen.
   
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..very interesting, wish i had more time to write, but one question that comes to mind is ..why not the "HIGH TEST" route for max size?
I feel crap on high test. Once I get to around 750mg the sides start outweighing the benefits. My energy levels tends to drop so over the years I have tried to stay away from high test. Sometimes I go fuck it bang in lot's of test and I always regret it. I tend to respond best to smaller doses of certain compounds. I purposely picked the compounds and doses for this cycle to minimize any side effects so I can feel good as I grow. Now I was surprised the 1 tab of adrol and dbol hit me so hard as I am usually fine. It was a shock to the system but my body will adapt. I will move up to the doses I stated and if I want to go any higher it will probably just be primo I increase. Primo doesn't give me any bad side effects and makes me feel good so it's basically the only steroid that does that

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Weekly pics and check in's??
Definitely. Nothing is set in stone but I will post regular pics. Once my gf rejoins the gym I may even try to get some training vids done. Pics probably closer to every 2 weeks. I plan to keep this thread going for awhile.

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I was expecting to see RICH PIANA with that title! Seriously though very cool to see your diet and AAS regimen.
I actually started watching his bigger by the day series again so it gave me the idea to name the thread after him. Obviously he had his bad points but I did used to enjoy his videos.


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No insulin or LR3?
I probably will but in no rush to add it in. I have 2 lantus pens but not a big fan of it. I was tempted to add in a small dose in the morning but left it. I have some old humalog and humulin-r which will still work but they are really old. So if I do I will probably order some humalog from somewhere. I love LR3 but the same for that as well. I will probably add LR3 in sometime next year when I try to get leaner.

My main focus is on the diet and the aas. Slin would go well with my 2iu hgh injects so I may even add a little with those. 1 is always pre workout but I doubt I would ever go higher than 8iu humalog pre workout now. If I feel I need the extra push next year then I will look towards slin.


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My computer chair broke with me sat on it so I guess that is a good sign. Luckily I managed to stand up before it completely went. The same thing happened to my last chair. I guess I just need better chains. A little annoying though as it wasn't cheap and I haven't had it for long.

Last night I trained legs and they are bad now. I know I will be really bad 2moro. I could feel a massive difference whilst training from the dbol/adrol. 2 sets into calf raises it felt like my calves had been pumped full of air so it made them burn and hurt much more than usual. The same for everything else. I kept it to calves, hams and quads and left out any isolated glute or hip work. Training lasted about 1 hour 45 mins and it felt good. Well that is a lie it was horrible but a sense of relief hit me at the end. A highlight was the vertical leg press drop set that was brutal. Afterwards I was rolling around on the floor shaking and couldn't stand up. I later look over and some girl is staring at me looking a bit shocked

Standing Calf Raises... about 12 sets of 30-10 reps going up in weight. The last set was a massive drop set with about 8 drops in weight.
Seated Calf Raises... about 8 sets and the last set was a drop set with 6 drops.
Standing Hamstring Curls... 5 sets of 15-10 reps going up in weight.
DB Stiff Leg Deadlifts with toes on a 10kg plate... 5 sets of 15-10 reps going up in weight.
Lying Leg Curls... 5 sets of 25-15 reps going up and down in weight.
Cable Rope Squats... 4 sets of 25 reps going up in weight.
Vertical Leg Press... about 10 sets going up in weight with a massive drop set at the end.
Leg Extensions... about 7 sets of 15-10 reps with the last 4 supersetted with sissy squats.
Back and leg stretches.

My legs were cramping up a little whilst stretching and that will be due to the crazy pumps. It was to be expected with a pre workout mix of 50mg adrol, 20mg dbol, 20mg cialis, 2 scoops of re1gn, 1 scoop of full as fuck and 2ml syntheselen

I will be training a lot over the next few months but I will have a day off after every big leg day for the extra recovery needed.


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JP has me taking a day off and after back. It goes Push, Legs,off Pull.
   
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JP has me taking a day off and after back. It goes Push, Legs,off Pull.
I have no routine and will just stay off when I feel I need to. I was doing Push, Pull, Legs recently but I sometimes enjoy swopping things around so I decided just to not have anything written in stone. Although yesterday was legs and 2moro will be push so I assume it will be pull the following day. As long as I train everything twice in approx 8 days I am happy. Although chances are I will push the frequency over the next few months and will be in the gym most days. As posted above one off day will likely be after legs.

Unfortunately due to my lower back I can't do deadlifts or free weight barbell row or basically any of the fun stuff Well I did with 2 plates the other week and my back was super tight. I know 100% if I go down that route I will get injured. I may still get injured but by limiting my back movements it's a much safer bet I don't. It does make back workouts more boring but I can still progress. I do miss heavy t-bar rows though.

My legs are really bad now. I can barely walk so I know 2moro will be a struggle to move around. I don't mind it but I wanted to take Flex on a walk to the lake and not sure if that will be happening now


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Move to chest supported back machines. Maybe you can do light rack deads also?

When it comes to slin with the hgh I would only do 3iu with each 2iuhgh. Make sure it's humalin R. R has a curve that works very well with the hgh peek. All you need is enough to extend the IGF tail. The slin is actually blocking the IGF from being bound so it stays free much longer. JP is doing hgh in the morning and night with IGF before and after training. Just 2 cents to think about.
   
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Move to chest supported back machines. Maybe you can do light rack deads also?

When it comes to slin with the hgh I would only do 3iu with each 2iuhgh. Make sure it's humalin R. R has a curve that works very well with the hgh peek. All you need is enough to extend the IGF tail. The slin is actually blocking the IGF from being bound so it stays free much longer. JP is doing hgh in the morning and night with IGF before and after training. Just 2 cents to think about.
Everything I do for back is pretty much chest supported. I will be fine but my issue now is due to my bi-cep tendons. Back training without heavy free weight deadlifts or barbell rows is not a problem for me and my workouts can still be great and varied.

With my current tendon/bicep/elbow issue I can't really do heavy incline bench (or flat on platforms) db/barbell rows as they start hurting badly. I also like doing incline bench rows in the smith machine but the same problem. The same for all heavy pulldowns or bodyweight pull ups no matter the grip. I tried some negative pullups the other day and was in a lot of pain from just after the 1st rep. I have to be careful with rack deads but I can do them. It's safer for me really limiting the range of motion and starting fairly high up.

So I am very limited but I am hoping with my current protocol (diclofenac gel, hgh, deca, curcumin etc) I should be much better in a few weeks. Although I can still play about with grips and angles and some things are still ok for me. I can go very heavy on a certain hammer strength machine row if I keep to a hammer grip and the tendons are ok like that. I can also do low cable rows with a hammer grip were I am bent over pulling up/back to my waist. That's a great movement for me and I can do the full weight rack without pain. Although I do miss going heavy with pulldowns and certain rows etc. I also started really getting into pullups (more so 5 sec negatives) a while back so I am hoping I can start doing them again.

Thanks for the suggestions. I like regular slin for that exact reason. It's also much more forgiving than rapid acting. I have done it twice (am/pm) with hgh before but I stopped after about 2 weeks because of the fatigue from the hgh. I am really sensitive to it so never usually last more than a few weeks as it effects my work too much. I took 2iu hgh and 10mg mk-677 last night and I am tired today but just pushing through. This time round I want to make sure I don't give up and see what difference long term use does for me.

I have tried small doses of slin multiple times per day which I think is great but I stopped that as I get tired of injecting so much. Even though the injs are so easy it's the same reason peptide cycles used to annoy me due to all the injs needed. I don't mind doing them all in 1 go. An example could be syntherol were I do a lot of shots but at the same time. But ask me to do them 3-4 hours a part and I hate it I like to have a life and free*** to go out and not have to worry about stuff like injecting slin before every meal. I couldn't be like my mate who carries tupperware and needles around with me all day. Your suggestion of 3iu with 2iu hgh twice daily sounds great though and I will probably do it.

Right now I have come from nothing to all this gear so I will hold off on the slin. Perhaps that low dose with my hgh injs. But at larger doses I will add it in sometime in the new year. Probably in the form of regular with hgh twice daily. Maybe some post workout humalog as well.


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A few people definitely thought I am handicapped the way I have been walking today. It's been a struggle moving around. Probably the worst my legs have ever been which is weird as I have pushed them harder in the past many times.

I am dropping dbol as my nose starting bleeding last night. I figured I would last longer at just 20mg but it started so not going to carry on dosing. My bp is fine. I have had it before so know they will stop straightaway. I could up adrol to 150mg and would get no bleeds. So moving forward just 50mg adrol from now on.

Yesterday I swopped 2 meals for tuna and pasta with a homemade sauce. Very basic but it tasted amazing. I crushed some ripe tomatoes and finely chopped some mushrooms and basil leaves. I put that in a pan and added some pepper, salt and onion powder.

Today my beef meals have been made with beef mince. Going forward I will use mince a lot more. Similar to the above but used a store bought tomatoe and basil sauce and added a few bits (mushrooms, basil, mirador sauce, paprika and pepper) for flavour.

Gonna get ready for the gym now and it will be a push session. Just getting in the right frame of mind as I want to push it hard.


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Yesterday I trained chest, shoulders and tri-ceps...

Machine Chest Fly supersetted with Machine Presses with hammer grip... 3 sets of 20-15 reps for both all warm ups.
Slight Incline Smith Press... 6 warm up sets (up 20kg each set) and 1 working drop set that started at 3.5 plates and had 2 drops (which included dead stop reps). The tension in this Smith is ridiculous so it feels much heavier than most.
Pec Deck... 2 warm up sets and 1 working set.
Standing Cable Chest Presses... 2 warm up sets and 1 working set.
Standing Barbell Presses... 3 warm up sets and 1 working set.
Cable Front Raise using straight bar... 3 warm up sets and 1 working set.
Machine Lateral Raises... 1 working drop set with about 6 drops in weight starting with the full weight rack.
Machine Tri-cep Dips... 2 warm up sets and 1 working set.
Flat bench DB Skull Crushers... 1 warm up set and 2 working sets.
Tri-cep Extensions... 2 working sets with 1 working set of Overhead Tricep Extensions in between.


Tonight I trained back and bi-ceps and increased the intensity as I went a long. I started with rear delts in the form of reverse pec deck and reverse db flyes. For both I like to do partial reps with a very heavy weight then drop down to a lighter weight for standard reps.

I decided to play about with the order of things and moved over to various pulldown/pull up movements. I kept wide grip pulldowns to a max weight of half the weight rack because of my tendon issues. I also supersetted scapula pull ups with the assisted pull up machine.

I was able to do heavier db rows on an incline bench than usual as my tendon does feel better. So I went up to 100lb db's to failure and was surprisingly ok. I then done some barbell shrugs for high reps going up to 2 plates a side. Then 5 sets of inverted rows all to failure. I finished with 4 sets of db pullovers and my 1 working set was with a 50kg db.

Bi-ceps worked out well and I am pleased with how my tendon felt. Basically a variety of pumps movements for about 10 mins. Then 1 working superset using 3 movements all at the same station. The first being a standard cable curl to positive failure. Then I up the weight and fail with an isometric hold then up the weight again and fail with negatives (bringing the weight back with 2 arms and performing 5 negative reps).

I finished with some heavier than usual (tendon) EZ Bar curls. I performed 4 sets starting at 10kg (20) per side, 15kg (15), 20kg (12) and finished at 25kg per side to complete failure (11 reps). I quickly dropped the weight to 15kg per side and done a quick set with a closer grip to failure again. All reps were slow and controlled with a squeeze as I could do more than double if I just moved the weight up and down.

I will up my food to those 6 meals I posted on Monday. I started at about 4 and have been having 4-5 over the last few days so will go up again to start packing on more size. I just wanted to ease into things at first due to my eating habits over the last 2 months.

My calves are really bad and I can barely even touch them. My quads and hamstrings feel much better. I will see how I feel 2moro and decide if I will train a 3rd day in a row.


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Since I dropped the 20mg dbol I haven't had a single nosebleed which is no surprise. Gonna carry on with 50mg adrol per day.

I am struggling with the HGH so going back down to 2iu per day for a few days before upping to 4iu again. It's annoying but it's no surprise. I have so little mental energy in parts of the day even the simpliest tasks are a struggle. It has effected my work as well. I have also completely dropped the 10mg mk-677 (was using it 3-4 days per week).

My cupboard of preworkouts has been great for me over the last week due to the hgh fatigue. Without them I would struggle to get through my workouts. I love training but hgh zaps my mental energy and pretty much all motivation so the reason I have dropped it every time in the past. It's makes me very lazy and I hate that. If my body doesn't adapt I will just drop it again. I had hoped to run it for at least a few months this time so will try to push through.

I swopped one beef meal today for a beef isolate and sweet potatoe powder shake. I doubt I will do this again but it's good to have on hand just incase. Today I also added one of my treat meals post workout with a massive 200g carbs. That consisted of fruit muesli covered in greek yoghurt topped with dates, nuts and cranberries.

Earlier I trained legs (excluding calves) and with 2 scoops of Re1gn in me I could push it to the max. 90% of the time I train hamstrings before quads but changed the order today and enjoyed it. I will likely to the same next workout too. When I write x sets of x reps most would assume they are not to failure as every set is the same amount of reps. But for the final set (or 2) of say 20 reps I often pick a weight I know I will fail at about 15 and I rest pause the last reps. Or I pick a weight I can get but slow down the reps so much that I start failing at 15 or so and struggle to get the last few. Generally for most working sets I simply don't have a number in mind and just do as many as possible.

Leg Extensions... 5 sets of 20 slow and controlled reps going up in weight.
Leg Press... 10 sets of 15-10 reps going up in weight.
Sissy Squats supersetted with Lying Leg Curls... 5 sets of 20 reps for both.
Unilateral DB Stiff Leg Deadlifts... 5 sets of 15-10 reps for each leg. After the 5th set for each leg I supersetted 1 working set of Standing Leg Curls.
Machine Glute Raises... 3 sets of 15 reps for each leg.
Hip Adductor supersetted with Hip Abductor... 5 sets of 20-15 reps for each.
Leg, back and hip stretches.

2moro I will train chest, abs and calves.

A good tip when doing lying leg curls is to bring your head up and hold that posture (similar to the below picture). That forces the glutes down and hits the hamstrings much more and as a result you will probably have to use less weight.



I start syntherol tomorrow. I have some 27G 3/4 pins for my bi-cep shots. I will use 25-26G 5/8 for my tri-ceps shots. Gonna start at 1ml in 2 spots in each muscle.


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When I came off everything I wasn't eating much but did have 1 large meal (3-4 in total) most days. I was not happy with the stomach distention and softness I had when starting this cycle. Obviously adding meals, test, deca, hgh, mk-677, adrol etc was not going to help that out either. I will be taking steps to make sure it goes down as I grow though. The hgh/mk-677 definitely didn't help and I find they fill my stomach with a lot of water retention. I have dropped the MK and will carry on with low dosed hgh. Soon I will drop the adrol.

I will stick to my diet and avoid problem foods. Moreover, I will be increasing my ab training to twice weekly (plus increase volume each day). My weak lower back doesn't help matters so I will try to strengthen that over time. I will try to train lower back twice weekly but keep it very basic and short (10 mins max each time). I would of done all of this anyway I have just been waiting for my lower back to feel better before I increased abs and lower back work. I will likely add in an odd day solely focusing on abs, lower back, glutes, hips and stretches.

I trained chest, abs and calves earlier and it felt good. I added more volume to abs for a change. I want them to pop so I train them with resistance and push the intensity.

Warm Up
Flat Barbell Bench Press... 5 warm up sets and 3 working sets of 11, 6 and 5 reps.
Incline Machine Press... 3 warm up sets and 2 working sets of 11 and 6 reps.
DB Floor Flyes... 3 warm up sets and 2 working sets of 12 and 9 slow reps with 85 pound db's. The 2 working sets were supersetted with 2 sets of standing cable flyes for approx 20 reps.
High Incline Machine Press... 2 sets of 20 reps.
Abs and lower back for approx 30 mins consisting of numerous sets of Seated Crunches, Machine Twists, Back Extensions, Standing Rope Oblique Cruches, Hanging Knee Raises, Decline Bench Twists and Planks.
Standing Calf Raises... 5 sets of 40-20 reps going up in weight every set.
Back, Leg and Hip Stretches.

For my 2 beef meals today I used organic beef mince. Instead of rice I had Rigate penne pasta and quite a lot. Approx 400g total for the 2 meals so that's about 140g carbs per meal just from the pasta. I cooked the mince in a Toscana sauce with mushrooms, yellow peppers, tomatoes and a variety of herbs and spices. All very simple and quick but it tastes good. Here is a pic...



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I followed Big A's protocol in my arms and was very happy with the results. Your twist on it looks good. I will be following.
   
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