body4life, enough with asking for sites or for sites that take credit cards, period!!! I deleted your thread in the other forum asking the same question about credit cards (that you have already asked in this forum)!! IVits is the only board sponser that accepts credit cards, if you choose not to use them then you need to explore other means of payment!! As for fat loss, there is no substitute to diet and training. Products such as Clen and T3 (that many of our board sponsers sell) will help IF your diet and training are in check...