jabo1jabo1 said:
i never said do tren only. look at the other gear he said he was doing - wolfy. then go to other sites and sources and see how many times this cycle is recommended and used with great results. go ahead and do your test but don't tell everyone you can't cycle without it!!!!!!!!!!!
1. look at the scientific evidence on tren and the HPTA. 1 shot shuts you down completely. want articles or pictures?? i'll be happy to show you
2. most importantly, talk to the many people who have had problems with running tren only or other cycles without test. A majority will indeed agree its a bad idea. True, some may not have problems, but that doesn't mean everyone will not. we don't want people on here learning the hard way and then getting pissed off at you for recommending them a no test cycle.
3. No testosterone is horrible for the male body (even the female). you will be producing ZERO testosterone. 100% suppression, its not like doing an eq only cycle. Deca and tren are nandrolones which also bind to the progresteron receptors, however at lesser rates compared to progesterone itself (at 20% and 60% respectively). and all these sites and sources that have no test cycles, many are in fact outdated. talk to the majority and they will all recommend test with every cycle. when you get many cycles under your belt, if you want to experiment and such, then go ahead, but like i said, don't give any advice like this just because you personally had success.
4. where did you mention for him to use testosterone??? you just told him to take parabolin and oral-t. I didn't see you mention test once. He mentioned test, but you never said specifically test and tren. one would obviously be thinking you're talking about tren and turinabol alone.
i gaurantee that i'm not the only person who believes you're giving bad advice. A more appropriate thing for you to say would be something like "i have done a cycle similar, however i did it without test. I wouldnt recommend it however it worked for me"
so lets just leave with this. you will indeed gain muscle and loose weight on cycles without test. however more than likely you'll experience bad side effects such as decreased libido, lethargy, mood swings, increased depression, not to mention the powerful anabolic effects of testosterone. testosterone is crucial and many people think that basing test in their cycles is just for getting their dick up