umm im not the smartest guy in the world especially when it comes to roids, but my dad took d-bol and one of my old coaches too as a matter of fact, and they both testified that there gains were exccelent, not to mention being that my daddy was a walk on for the falcons, befor he blew his knee out, i think he knows a little about getting strong, and to this day he is still one of the strongest guys i know still being able to rep 315 6 times on bench with a torn rotar cuff. i know its may not be the best thing to take but in his day, it worked for him.