archangel1 said:
ive read a lot of HGH/IGF/slin cycle recommendations, so to hear you say "dont run gh and igf together makes next to no sense to me. i understand that they do a lot of the same things. but if you look at the science of it, a lot of benefits from GH are because the liver releases igf. however those benefits are not the only ones to be weaned from a GH cycle. the anadrol will be short run, the methanabol will be real short run- so really it is a 12 week GH IGF test e cycle. thats too much?
although you have read about igf/gh & slin being run together, it is only experienced people who should do this. just like i stated in my first response, untill you have used them both individually, it is not recommended to run them together. this has more to do with the potential side affects than anything else. because the sides can get pretty bad, a whole body tingling, numbness in your extremities, bad joint pain similar to carpal tunnel, etc, when running them both together without running either individually to see what sides you will get(and you will get them!) it could lead to very bad sides to the point where you may have to stop the whole cycle. my last run of igf/gh together had me to the point where every time i took a crap, my legs and ass went numb and it led to some embarrising moments when i tried to get off the shitter, especially in public restrooms where others could see my difficulties. i would use the handicapped stall so people wouldnt stare to much as i struggled to walk with legs and an ass that had no feeling LOL
since you have not listed cycle experience, i will assume you have not run any cycles yet. it is best to take it easy your first cycle or two till you see how your body reacts to gear. many first cycles have been run very basic with test only or test with dbol, or deca or eq and they worked out well. we just had a member northQ post pics of his cycle results and if you check them out you will see the very dramatic results he had with very basic first 2 cycles.
the biggest problem is if ya start to strong, you only have one direction to go and that is to constantly increase dosages with each successive cycle and you very quickly will get way to high to fast.
you can easily gain 30-40lbs on a first cycle using just a basic test/deca cycle as long as you have the eating & training part down pat just like northq did.
as far as your change with the orals, you could run the drol weeks 1-4 & 9-12
4 weeks is the best length to run drol for maximum gains and it will give the test time to kick in before you stop the drol or you would risk a significant drop in gains during that approximate week after the drol stops and before the test has reached its maximum bloodlevels.