Winny is not the only thing that gives you bitch tits, in fact, it is probably safer than most. You need to keep nolvadex on hand in case of gyno symptoms. If you get itchy nipples then take 80mg nolv 2 or 3 days straight and then 40mg for about a wk or until symptoms go away. This usually only happens to very gyno sensitve people. Orals are going to be fine on your liver as long as you don't drink alcohol and drink plenty of water. Also, do not use for more than 6 wks, with exception to winstrol, you can run it for about 7. These times are just to play it safe though, nothing exact. I also would not recommend running 2 orals at a time. I love dbol, it is the shit imo. Strength gains are rapid and big. It is a kickstart until the test kicks in. You will not feel the test probably until about 4 or 5 wks in, but you will know for sure when it does. I do drink once in a while on dbol but it is not wise if you want to be extra cautious. You want to take some milk thistle with orals to help support liver function. But really, water is the key imo.