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Mens libido depends on testosterone and estrogen

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The presence of estrogen, the main sex hormone in women, has been traditionally thought to lower men's libidos, but new research proves otherwise. Findings from a study at Massachusetts General Hospital published in the New England Journal of Medicine have shown that reducing estrogen in men actually lowered their libidos.

While the findings are not likely to alter current hormone therapies, they provide a greater understanding for men seeking testosterone therapies.

New research in hormones
The new study has shown that a balance of estrogen and testosterone in men is essential to a healthy libido, according to*lab tests*on mice and clinical trials in humans. With both mice and humans, cutting estrogen produced a drop in libido, even as testosterone was added. This matches anecdotal evidence of men undergoing female hormone therapies who experienced an increase in libido along with estrogen.

For the study, researchers examined more than 300 men aged 20 to 50. Half of the men were either given a placebo or a testosterone-boosting gel, while the other half received either a placebo or a combination of a testosterone-boosting gel and a drug to reduce estrogen. The men who were given the estrogen-reducing drug saw a strong drop-off in libido, according to the study.

Excess testosterone in men can be transformed into estrogen so current practices will likely remain the same for certain drugs to lower estrogen.

I have always thought recently people overuse anti e's ,which some are very powerful ,so this is something to look at if you have libido issues on trt replacement ..
 
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Fucking estrogen, hate that stuff.lol. too high u start getting gyno, lower it with an ai and you dont wanna fuck anymore. Just had to double up on my aromasin, not looking forward to the next couple weeks
 

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Fwiw, for me, androgel makes my libido go through the roof. I never had labs done on the gel.

On injectable test (both ugl and prescribed) my levels both test and estrogen have been "normal". I have played with dosages and blood levels. I have yet to figure out my libido issue. There is something the gel "activates" that the injectable does not.

My 0.02
 

amateurmale

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Done that too, no luck. Masteron nothing either.

ditto on that one! Mast didnt help me either.

Ive recently gone to injecting 20-25mgs of test cyp every single day. I got bloodwork done yesterday to see if this new injection routine will let me be able to stop using e blockers while on trt.

Ive been on this new injection routine for over a month now and stopped taking aromasin.

Previously, i was injecting 50mgs every other day and my e2 was 135 which is about 300% over normal.

We will see.
 

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ditto on that one! Mast didnt help me either.

Ive recently gone to injecting 20-25mgs of test cyp every single day. I got bloodwork done yesterday to see if this new injection routine will let me be able to stop using e blockers while on trt.

Ive been on this new injection routine for over a month now and stopped taking aromasin.

Previously, i was injecting 50mgs every other day and my e2 was 135 which is about 300% over normal.

We will see.

Dude. Please post up results. I was doing 20mg a day and I really felt great and libido was also excellent. I'm curious to see #s since I didn't get bloods done during that time. Peace.
 

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yes just test cypionate. No other compounds I'll even stop taking fish oil because my cholesterol is always really slow to recover and I've wondered if it's because of the estrogen blockers. So if I can keep my test levels within normal ranges without having up and down fluctuations I'm thinking that estrogen will also stay and check without a blocker. And as soon as these results come back we will find out if my cholesterol has been recovering a lot quicker.
 

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The person that I got this protocol from says he does this when he cycles to because the side effects are so much lower. When he runs 500 milligrams a week of test cypionate he injects everyday twice a day . I believe he said he does 35 milligrams in the morning and 35 milligrams in the afternoon.
 

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If you think about it it makes sense. Naturally your balls would make testosterone everyday so it makes sense that you should have to inject everyday. However this doesn't sit well with the doctors because they wouldn't be able to sell TRT requiring multiple injects. However us gear users don't care about multiple injects.
 

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As Ib stated you need estro for good libido and junk to work well.
Keep in mind that one individual may be more estro sensitive than another with same estro levels.I think a lower estro level is good. Not good wnen so low
your joints hurt. If i tank estro the other indicators sore joints etc seem to coincide with libido being down. Funny thing is with too low estro level
it drops sex drive but i'm still grouchy as hell. Just my thoughts.
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As Ib stated you need estro for good libido and junk to work well.
Keep in mind that one individual may be more estro sensitive than another with same estro levels.I think a lower estro level is good. Not good wnen so low
your joints hurt. If i tank estro the other indicators sore joints etc seem to coincide with libido being down. Funny thing is with too low estro level
it drops sex drive but i'm still grouchy as hell. Just my thoughts.
T

One size doesn't fit all. I wish it did. All this would be so much easier! But hey I like experimenting.:)
 

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Well its not great so ill just post it here.

Hdl 33 up from 27 (my hdl recovery totally sucks! I gain about a point a week. :mad:)
Ldl 143 down from 153

Test serum high at 1451
Free test high at 46.3

Estradiol high at 85.3 :(




Apparently 20-25mgs a day is still too much test for me. Back to the drawing board.
 

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Well its not great so ill just post it here.

Hdl 33 up from 27 (my hdl recovery totally sucks! I gain about a point a week. :mad:)
Ldl 143 down from 153

Test serum high at 1451
Free test high at 46.3

Estradiol high at 85.3 :(




Apparently 20-25mgs a day is still too much test for me. Back to the drawing board.


Maybe i shouldnt be so glum. This is actually an improvement. When i was injecting 50mgs of cyp every other day my e2 was 135…..now its down to 85 by injecting every day, thats a 50 point drop! Maybe if i just drop the injects to 10-15mgs a day i will be good to go….who knows? I think my slow cholesterol recovery is from my test being too high. More experimenting is necessary. :)
 
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