Concreteguy: Slin Diet

[tenny]

thanks,

didn't realize the onset varied so much with lantus..

however, since it's so long-acting, wouldn't the onset not be too "strong" ? Or is it when it comes to slin, when it hits you, it hits you, regardless of the type?

well it would def. depend on how much your doing no...????

try it....see what happens.....who knows.

slin don't do the same thing in everyone....(experiences may vary)

it may be your holy grail....

I personally do not like any surprises....im assuming it was made
for extreme diabetic purposes, where you need constant levels
combated....

i would imagine also....if used daily humL or Glargine will suppress
more than a few things....nothing popping more pills PROBABLY
couldn't fix....but if that's what people want and more likely NEED
to do....then go for it...

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[TeknoViking]

I had very nice results using Mike Arnolds protocol. It has evolved over the years. So try to find his most recent posting on it. I love pre workout slin, but I must admit I am was not even close to reaching me genetic potential when I started it LOL. I was running it everyday I worked out. 30mg superdrol with 700mg test prop for 4 weeks with the slin and you see some major fucken changes. My schedule was 3 days on 1 day off DC type training for 4 weeks then I took a three week break from slin dropped the test to 200mg and no sdrol but kept the same training plan. Most days I did 12 sets max in the 6-8 rep range keeping a workout log and progressively increasing the weight. 12ius pre workout and it worked great.

Hell I even ran the same protocol while running dnp and had great results. You have to find what works best for you. For me Karbolyn was much better pre and intra then HBCD. I couldn't get the timing down with the HBCD. Make sure you do cardio sometime during the week to keep the insulin sensitivity good.

I have never used anything but r so I can't comment on that. That is what Mike recommends though for his protocals.

 

[Marshall]

Arnold's protocol is great imo for someone who wants to just take advantage of using insulin for it's benefits, not trying to get IFBB size. It is dirt cheap and works very well. I started with basskillers protocol using log post training and changed over seamlessly to Arnold's. They are very similar imo, only I prefer Arnold's pre-workout with R to post workout with log by far. Plus R is easy OTC.

Sandpig I wouldn't worry about fatigue sometimes if you have enough carbs in you for the dosage you took pre-workout. I take short naps every once in awhile after my pwo meal, it's not hypo or going hypo by any stretch, it's simply just fatigue from a good workout and lots of calories. I train HIT style (Mentzer-McGuff) every 4 or 5 days, so the protocol is great with that, never have to worry about days on/days off, weeks on/weeks off etc...can take advantage of it every workout day. I usually use in the a.m. and then pre-workout.

Agree with what was said about diet, I think tenny posted, no need to micro manage it, have some good whole foods and fats, never made an ounce of difference to me over the years.

 

[Sandpig]

. For me Karbolyn was much better pre and intra then HBCD. I couldn't get the timing down with the HBCD. .

I've just been using Gatorade. Supposedly doesn't empty as fast as Karbolyn and HBCD.

I PM'd Mike and he told me the same thing Tenny did. I'm going through all my carbs and then BG levels drop too much before the slin wears off.

I'm going to add a whole food meal immediately post workout.

 

[Marky boy]

Would be good to see Mike over here and have his input

 

[Sandpig]

So I kept the pre and intra drinks the same today but then post was a protein shake an all you can eat pancakes at Denny's

I couldn't get too crazy cause I had to go to work after that.

Worked perfectly

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[ketsugo]

OK. So that we don't have the drama, I'm going to recommend a very tame version of an "Eat when your hungry" Boosted with slin program. I would start by contacting Tenny and ask him for his diet plan. This will cost a few bucks (deservingly so) because that's what he does for a living. This will work with any diet so don't be concerned about it being a "slin" diet.

-I would take that complete diet plan and brake down the carbs in each meal.

- If for some reason any of these meals don't have at least 100 carbs per meal they wont be sufficient to use them effectively. If your in the school of thought that you should just pin enough to cover the carbs any way, go right ahead.<----But I think your spitting in the ocean playing games like that.

- I would assume that it takes 10 carbohydrate to cover each and ever iu of Humalog you inject.

-I would inject 10iu of Humalog just before eating any of these meals.

- I would also make sure your hungry a minimum of four times a day.

-If your hungry inside the 1 hour window before bed time. I would eat a full pack of oat meal cookies after your meal and before bed.

- while your doing this I would recommend carrying a quart of OJ with you. You would only drink this if you start to feel strange in any way.



Understanding insulin and "can it kill you"? The answer is yes.

But so can falling over on a butter knife. there is no way 10 iu can or would kill you after consuming a meal with carbs to cover the iu's pinned. It's a wild stretch entertaining 10iu of Humalog killing you on an absolutely empty stumic as well. Sure you would go for a hell of a hypo ride but it's not going to kill you or put you in a comma. Get that silly shit out of your head. lol It just isn't going to happen.

-Will it make me diabetic? NO Jumping in and out of use will not make you diabetic.

_can it play hell on your insulin sensitivity? Yes, the answer is taking metformin 1000mgs a day and a few other things that are saples in insulin receptor promotion.

How would I know if I was going hypoglycemic?

Everyone gets hit a little different. But I would look for,

-tingling of the upper lip or tongue

-A sudden burst of hunger accompanied by extreme thirst

-Suddenly getting cold and completely loosing your pump

-a strange feeling you can't put your finger on

-Getting a narrow field of vision that's often in black and white.

-If this happens and your driving? Stop the car and drink the OJ. DO NOT start up again until your symptoms have passed.

-Getting any of these symptoms or anything else that just not the norm signals you it's time to immediately drink your quart of OJ.

There are many more but from my experience it is these players that normally pop up when it happens. This is why you have your QUART of OJ on you. OJ is your "get out of jail free card".



I recommend before anyone gets started using slin they do this.



In the comfort of your home with a friend, on an empty stomach, pin 5iu Humalog. Watch the clock and about twenty minutes in you will feel a twang of "something isn't right with me" as you sit there you will start to experience the onset of going hypo. What do you do???? Drink your full quart of OJ and relax. It will take up to five minutes for the OJ to reverse your symptoms but it will and you will be fine. While your waiting for the OJ to neutralize your symptoms tell your friend exactly what your feeling and have them write it down. Most guys I know in the game always get the same symptoms in the same order. So write them down and this will have to be carried in the back of your mind always. After you do this and see how the OJ works you will understand how important it is. You may never need it witch is a good thing. But it's a good thing to have it if you do. But if your carful about your carbs vse your iu's it just will never happen. But the truth is everyone I know that's in the game and uses it has gone hypo and that's all it was. A blip on the radar.



Lets just start with this and I'll answer any questions you may have.



One more thing. I don't do this for a living. I'm a member here and trying to help out the guys that want to know. That's it. If ANYONE has a better way to do it or wants to inject into this with constructive thought please do.



Side note: doing less than these amounts will yield next to zero gains and would be questionable if it's even worth doing. as it is this is a small amount but it will bring positive responses building muscle.



CG

Awesome post

 

[ketsugo]

Silly queation- are there people that should never do insulin?
Should we be watching our sugars?
I love candy- I eat candy getting ready for shows? Me bad- i know

Don’t confuse the issues related to having sweet tooth with using s compound that assimilation of sugar/ glucose into glycogen that fills muscle cells . That’s why those who try to push Keto diets on insulin miss the boat. Insulin is the most anabolic substance

 

[Bakunin]

Wow what a thread!

I have done prewo slin before.

I want to do pre and post run, how would you time hgh into that? Does it matter much or just take it. Im thinking mostly partitioning wise!

 

[Edwina]

So you recommend slin with every single meal of the day? and how long would you typically run a cycle of slin like this?

 

[ldbruffey]

The amount per iu in terms of carbs is totally person dependent. I’m someone that sticks to 15-17 g per iu. While others are 6-8. All based on sensitivity


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